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What was right & any surprises? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Nov 9, 2022, at 14:16, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 09:01:42AM +1100, steve jenkin wrote: >> I???ve only recently stumbled across this paper. >>=20 >> It gives the answer to one question I???ve had: >>=20 >> Why did Linux become more popular than everything that came before i= t? > > Yeah, that was a difficult time. My boss, Ken Okin (SVP of all server > hardware) didn't like the switch from SunOS to SVR4 any more than I di= d. > He paid me to go argue with the execs for 6 months. That paper was > the result. > > It obviously went nowhere and Linux won. Big surprise. > > The one thing I learned in that 6 months was respect for the execs. > As an engineer, I had the luxury of taking the time to solve a problem= and > know that I solved it correctly. The execs didn't have that. They had > to make decisions essentially with their gut, they couldn't afford the > time to figure out the right answer, they had to come up with the right > answer on the fly. I don't think I could do that. It=E2=80=99s painful to look at where (Open)Solaris was when Oracle acqu= ired it and where it is now. SMF, Zones, ZFS, dtrace, mdb. Oracle Cloud = doesn=E2=80=99t use Solaris for anything. I can=E2=80=99t recall hearing= anyone using dtrace or ZFS around the place. Meanwhile, illumos derivs have actually done interesting things. Not tha= t NexenStor or SmartOS have made a big dent, but at least they=E2=80=99v= e had more recent ideas to copy. -- Joseph Holsten http://josephholsten.com mailto:joseph@josephholsten.com tel:+1-360-927-7234