From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A, SCC_BODY_URI_ONLY,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14173 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2022 01:19:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Feb 2022 01:19:49 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1FEE89D6ED; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:19:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2389B9F3; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:19:27 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="SkTyrnZU"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DFF0C9B9F3; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:19:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f182.google.com (mail-oi1-f182.google.com [209.85.167.182]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 627729B95E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:19:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f182.google.com with SMTP id t199so20261354oie.10 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 17:19:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject:content-language:to :cc:references:from:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AeUrfhFYoIt5PVKUmvH/0bd7OtbHLaqUqG+dVYV4dLA=; b=SkTyrnZUBAmkpxQhv3/samZunIeYC175STM5/CVAodrDEQv1eU2toxGammjtHmbClS c1VIIXOm4I5Z0YJKew9daKDzDGyQ2lWU7MK+5WotBz99kZarUQs1TTaNDwyUYDQ3dZN9 MbIPpTZRIDO4kGYNKX5OJ0wnX5HnK2gMK0wYBruY16QkzY2uZ4K2ZLY6vklBYMxI6TWH JkKcIRj8P2y9duFthtwrfugiIkipsK1nfHCAOoL18T7ad3EjijDQdXOnfC2DiRJLHiXj vwDC0mFgds2yAyTlCLMb7gI7TPVKS4XkuL3R3HioQeSHrmTnr5XKq3bho5+RKq0PAcex +MGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:cc:references:from:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AeUrfhFYoIt5PVKUmvH/0bd7OtbHLaqUqG+dVYV4dLA=; b=7tHAeDGVj/G6BMZWmJsNR3azsGbVtozaGSyQyQLajU3vWR0bCJurZ5M9JV+1AlgfAB wdfeHnPNKNN6KAIMTunBRkN4fp7mWCRYkMkFiRkoEkAsP5QICe82fN8V2umux2OqJe54 17DnR+A7ZQrQigznBVtxA4actxka1RnyDTmdViTKI//H9oo5u9oKupwNMTk2huZoEhAy Cyrvgxgotlj+XJm7zSajHiW1sV70Gwymgjpjb8dzhxGM+/ANj4a9cpB2KWQ7EZEN0+AK A1TKIAFpGzKQabGs4kfkXt0BAGwPaUEumLAPmkn5lJ+HDIx+Q6Ib2QOmibY+VgTJCcvN IGNw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533lBUu/iEDGCT1pGaXpjjrz5EjJGYMnCGM5pi36l3pHMMC409JD qmgoLpmR5TOqL8Cqe1u+Fu0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyFFG+3/krfhOoxbhYltii0grYAQdsquCWi5ePmtGSoHnaH/2+OcAjKxCCcm5owLJROyZw7Mg== X-Received: by 2002:a54:4812:: with SMTP id j18mr3092116oij.186.1643764765737; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 17:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.8.2.2] ([2.56.190.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bb32sm18807022oib.11.2022.02.01.17.19.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Feb 2022 17:19:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <328d0bc1-b4b4-4693-ea2c-f7780410dbeb@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:19:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.1 Content-Language: en-US To: Brad Spencer , Clem Cole References: From: Will Senn In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] BSD 4.1, 4.1x, Quasijarus, and 4.3x X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2/1/22 6:43 PM, Brad Spencer wrote: > Clem Cole writes: > > [snip] > >>> Well, no. Both OpenBSD and NetBSD ported back to the VAX, but the OpenBSD >>> effort has ended due to lack of hardware and interest. It appears that >>> NetBSD is still being actively developed on the VAX, however, so it's >>> possible to get a "modern" 4.4BSD derived system on that architecture. >>> >> Right - either current NetBSD or the Ultrix 4.5 is what I would do. If >> NetBSD will run the Ultrix layered products, that would be the system with >> the most; but I'm not sure if that will work. Ultrix for instance >> supports DEC (VMS) FTN - which I know you (Will) have been messing with. >> That is the best (most complete) FTN for Vaxen. I believe there is Ada, >> PL/1 and maybe even Basic2 and Cobol/RPG [I think most of not all of the >> VMS languages for the VAX were released on Ultrix but frankly, I don't >> remember]. > [snip] > > NetBSD has a compat_ultrix that can be enabled for NetBSD/vax (and pmax > / mips) that might allow some of those products to work. The man page > for it does not mention any of that specifically and does say that there > are a few limits to it. > > https://man.netbsd.org/compat_ultrix.8 > I tried an install of netbsd latest on simh microvax a few weeks back and it installed without error. It was slow to boot to login, but I'm sure that's just the network being misconfigured somehow, I haven't had time to troubleshoot - let's just call it pilot error.