From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1551 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2023 21:50:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 15 Mar 2023 21:50:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CB441266; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 07:50:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 864CF41226 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 07:50:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from makerlispvps ([74.208.29.250]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MVw6g-1q0lrZ3LgG-00X4Za for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:50:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.234.128] (unknown [172.58.76.35]) by makerlispvps (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38EF1891ED for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 21:50:37 +0000 (UTC) To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <20230315115947.A0CC418C07E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <984bc9a1-70ea-4032-be21-b99f8d40e897@app.fastmail.com> <20230315212201.GY27975@mcvoy.com> From: Luther Johnson Message-ID: <33183c36-ee16-36a2-2f2b-674538290f63@makerlisp.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:50:35 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20230315212201.GY27975@mcvoy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:B4gqmWMKNN4gOLXMPbT13gUUOpklCLRCLTfpSHCaPmLSTQg58VW 5IzWB1Rvw348Rviq98PbHBbSEDVQKuDDsYaQiUxvGg36PVieSB1OHYkN0nPtdtWNerAdrKv CCsjdXCaIZxjH4SwgEJIo1R3qmub6Xo36aqQ+XRDm7GbYIlclunkdYYzop9N486ox2Ia4Zs 7cZtVC0aXmwsE9dDiKZ3g== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:HkyZexovbTQ=;uU7Abp5+UcGyssC35Fl8NcBwsrg 9INehbnv1PGMN4F3OsCZe/2E55/nkfWcieqIK3U0T60Xe96LonE4bs8XNyokII71dMXM/ugmR DK6zD9CImBuS19E3WxWFiSL2b8k6v7AolGIq4WNe6ltixJuz/QpsxVM2J3fUEvOeDrq7kqemU WFSvarZNISplqIC8glDJbHYNSIt4MwW2uQGWGqX01NuDLzUjhS1zns8BgvIxkPmp5SMeK9KpF ZfVXIVu5I1C3jvmaHsFzzXGXGoX+qkPAJplzSS2bb9hgiii+eedfa90dzIyK+tfk2v7L2UVs8 OkmL6b7qP3FtLhHL7GXZFUbX6shHFFyUebv/9gD4FNO1J4JAVgrnbmN7uNZE1qfAKD9C2cYLa 5ZDVds8yIMDMgB6tegdnEnG6C9vUqtuvauVTEoD2YhKQSlviJa5H1b/WKsIpDww4hw1gD2J8+ 9dQ9PzPScOQxB6sNUvipY6e2eyvIpvWfjQJ96J+MhU0YnogF1sMvZkRu01GTN2Mf3YpX3Lqij oDvqAMT7n8EZ/gu+ZCHnyjNlFhyW/bKwqnLXu4TK2E2bW9Sth1xchCzJF+mmdSoD5WjsDtN8w lBxrG1YPcIYjFmXjEBBFR9bULOQfalHZsWPN+c9Yxt37q04AzbqOSu2SyAnBQKzyAGOWbpNnr xYQFzG1glzelvrQIo6cLtIt6yV9SPAzQ6+j0rxTjlg== Message-ID-Hash: N6BTQK2GHCKSYBWPMOSEL6BNHEVOWXA2 X-Message-ID-Hash: N6BTQK2GHCKSYBWPMOSEL6BNHEVOWXA2 X-MailFrom: luther@makerlisp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX System V Release 2.2 gdts Vax-780 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I'm interested for certain versions of the Portable C Compiler, and maybe non-GNU implementations of other utilities, I'd like to license the source. I'm aware of the re-booted PCC, but I prefer the authentic versions. On 03/15/2023 02:22 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 02:18:30PM -0700, Seth Morabito wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, at 2:08 PM, Clem Cole wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 5:03???PM Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote: >>>> I'm still worried about my legal butt :-( >>> Probably a good idea. >>>> But I'd be interested in the viewpoints of people here on the list. >>> The Ancient UNIX license does not release anything beyond V7 - as the document you have on the site (https://www.tuhs.org/ancient.html) says: >>> >>>> 1.9 SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEM means a SCO software offering that is (i) specifically designed for a 16-Bit computer, or (ii) the 32V version, and (iii) specifically excludes UNIX System V and successor operating systems. >>> SVR4 is by definition System V. >> Do we know with any certainty who currently owns the System V intellectual property? I think (probably) it's now the Canadian company OpenText, who just bought Micro Focus in January, who absorbed the Attachmate Group in 2014, who bought Novell in 2011, who gobbled up USL in 1992... what a tangled web. I don't even know where one would begin trying to track down someone to give permission to archive System V source code. > Is there any market for System V at this point? I would think it's > Windows, MacOS, Linux and anything else is an also ran at this point. > > Can anyone point to a machine that was sold in the last few years that > ran some System V based OS? >