From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 26d62567 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E97EC947D6; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:17:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A504947B9; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:17:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5FDA0947B9; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:17:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from bagheera.alchemistowl.org (bagheera.alchemistowl.org [185.15.93.23]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4E8593F38 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:17:07 +1000 (AEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bagheera.alchemistowl.org Received: from eolo.darkpackets.org (eolo.darkpackets.org [IPv6:2001:1620:ad1:10:0:0:0:13]) (authenticated bits=0) by bagheera.alchemistowl.org (8.16.0.29/8.16.0.29) with ESMTPSA id x8PFH4Xo076058 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:17:04 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Arrigo Triulzi In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:17:04 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <34674811-F25A-4CE8-9A54-249930AC7916@alchemistowl.org> References: <49C268A5-42E6-41E2-95F9-0A8043DFC9F3@alchemistowl.org> <65187b33-08f1-88ca-5729-eb40cdb5ced7@neophilic.com> To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Subject: Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:09, Warner Losh wrote: > Slides have been published, though maybe not through the EuroBSDCon = site. I wasn't aware that I could publish them there. I was under the mistaken impression that recordings of the talks would = be made available on the site - I generally find it rather useful when = conferences have slides, papers and recordings available on the web = pages of past conferences, e.g. Usenix. > = https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/177KxOif5oHARyIdZHDq-OO67_GVtMkzIAl= DX-cHxgb4/edit?usp=3Dsharing Ah, that=E2=80=99s the final version of what we got a preview of? > I'm told it will be a small number of weeks before the bsdtv folks = that taped everything can edit the talks down from the raw footage and = post them to youtube. They have the raw livestream, but a small number = of tweaks need to be made to each talk. Right, that makes sense. I would like to see the =E2=80=9Ccolour=E2=80=9D = which goes with the slides, i.e. all that isn=E2=80=99t written down.. > I'll be writing a followup paper, as well as an article for the = FreeBSD Journal. There's a number of small technical errors in the talk = owing to two factors: (1) I couldn't see my speaker notes during the = talk so I think I misspoke or neglected to include a clarifying sentence = or two that I'd planned and (2) I found more original material that = helped to clarify timelines (eg: PWB 1.0 was distributed outside of bell = labs: it was V6 + the "50 changes" based, but still retained features = like the V6 TTY driver. This was in 1978, about a year before V7 was = released. PWB 2.0 was fully V7 based and included updates to the tools = PWB added, exact details TBD). I did talk a little about the ambiguity = between UNIX/TS and PWB/UNIX 3.0 in the talk, but the details of that = need to be ironed out a bit. I hope to go through more original sources = to figure all that out as different people remember things slightly = differently, and sometimes contemporary documentation or scholarly = papers contradicts the remembrance so I need to sort that out better, as = well as where I can run diffs between supposed sources of things to find = as much of the truth around this that I can. That is wonderful! I have been desperately trying to find the Unix tapes = which made it to the University of Milan =E2=80=9CCybernetics=E2=80=9D = department back in the 70s but have failed miserably. Most of the people = who were there at the time are sadly no longer with us and my dad = can=E2=80=99t remember who had them. All that I have left is the = photocopied Unix manual with the cover printed by the department in = Italian, an nth copy Lions and then other bits and pieces. All the rest = is gone forever (or, more likely, in some Italian state warehouse since = the bureaucracy necessary to throw anything away, or donate it, was so = daunting it was just stuck somewhere). Unfortunately there were three = physical moves of the department so chances are the cellars were cleaned = out by workers. Thank you again for the talk! Arrigo