From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 30d37823 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 00:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A1D629B8A5; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:55:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6DF9B894; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:54:54 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=tnetconsulting.net header.i=@tnetconsulting.net header.b="cTgAXd5A"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2C0BE9B894; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:54:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [45.33.28.24]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 237CC9B892 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:54:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Contact-TNet-Consulting-Abuse-for-assistance by tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-3) with ESMTPSA id x140sox0017251 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 18:54:51 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=tnetconsulting.net; s=2015; t=1549241691; bh=tUGxuNi//mddIOitA6Ego+Z4vVzMWkPhiGghwFntGws=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Disposition: Content-Language:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:From: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:References:Reply-To: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Sender:Subject:To: User-Agent; b=cTgAXd5A2aXE4FM0AQ8FEFFXywlIob2Igy8GnNymOx4VN5goKywYxvUGwTH5yHRBj P+1HG3luI3q0XAY/he0cF7/snGr9zCvh8nSFjo5p7BVLQxP75iCjsBW6oqCbeARowN tywG8lSLEUrQdNnGoGt/oB6/o16mfJmJBEo/GVpA= To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20190203150237.A869418C07A@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Organization: TNet Consulting Message-ID: <34abdea7-db7e-3964-3b13-32cdd7d73c93@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 17:54:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms020403030701050108010607" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Signal/noise (Was: OSI stack (Was: Posters)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Grant Taylor via TUHS Reply-To: Grant Taylor Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020403030701050108010607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/3/19 4:33 PM, Mantas Mikul=C4=97nas wrote: > When I first subscribed to tuhs several years ago (even though I don't = > really belong in here; I'm younger than even Linux, much less any of th= e=20 > Unixen), FULL STOP I see no reason for you to not belong here. I too am younger than most of the things discussed on this list. But that doesn't some me from participating ~> discussing ~> learning.=20 Nor do I think it should stop you. Just be mindful of where your roots are or aren't. After all, Unix collectively (including Linux) is doing the wrong thing=20 and going the wrong way if it turns people away that want to learn about = it. Resume. > I *very much* enjoyed reading the various stories about UUCP, about Sun= ,=20 > about X11, VMS, ARPAnet =E2=80=93 often first-hand tales, no less. I do too. I also enjoy being able to discuss things with people as I'm reading=20 about various technologies elsewhere. That being said, I don't know that TUHS is the best place for some=20 non-Unix related things. That's what the COFF mailing list is for. ;-) > So I don't know what counts as 'signal' on this list versus 'noise',=20 > but I'd much rather read a million posts about OSI, CLNP and other=20 > networks =E2=80=93 a history lesson and information that's been getting= scarce=20 > in general =E2=80=93 than kill/mute yet another thread full of generic = "boo M$=20 > Windoze" drivel that I can already find on Reddit. I'd suggest COFF if you aren't subscribed. I'd also suggest the cctalk=20 mailing list. Also, if you've not read it, I HIGHLY suggest "Where Wizards Stay Up=20 Late - The Origins of the Internet". Finally, doing. Lots of doing or trying. Even if you find out that=20 it's wrong. That's gaining experience that I think makes it easier to=20 learn from. comp.os.vms is another good place to watch ~> read ~> learn. > Thanks, :-) --=20 Grant. . . . unix || die --------------ms020403030701050108010607 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Cy4wggVAMIIEKKADAgECAhEA01fiRe1k2R6LEQCcImIMYTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADCBlzEL MAkGA1UEBhMCR0IxGzAZBgNVBAgTEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBxMHU2Fs Zm9yZDEaMBgGA1UEChMRQ09NT0RPIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxPTA7BgNVBAMTNENPTU9ETyBSU0Eg Q2xpZW50IEF1dGhlbnRpY2F0aW9uIGFuZCBTZWN1cmUgRW1haWwgQ0EwHhcNMTgxMTE4MDAw MDAwWhcNMTkxMTE4MjM1OTU5WjArMSkwJwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhpndGF5bG9yQHRuZXRjb25z dWx0aW5nLm5ldDCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBANgOhvncDgc4KAlD 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