From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7444 invoked from network); 11 May 2020 20:21:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 May 2020 20:21:23 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C01DC9C5F4; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:21:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7569C5E2; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:20:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 11AE49C2ED; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:20:47 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 1412 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:20:46 AEST Received: from smtp4.via.net (smtp4.via.net [209.81.0.254]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10A569B75D for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 06:20:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [209.81.2.60] ([209.81.2.60]) by smtp4.via.net (8.15.2/8.14.1-VIANET) with ESMTP id 04BJvC60001243; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at smtp4.via.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: joe mcguckin In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:57:01 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <357EFE54-BD94-4C10-8C43-C6735BF7D317@via.net> References: <6D6EFA0C-36C3-4225-A331-D1998A07C50A@gmail.com> <3cb1126796176debe28aa66672ba27ae@yaccman.com> <20200511005745.GL17035@mcvoy.com> To: Paul Winalski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (smtp4.via.net [209.81.0.254]); Mon, 11 May 2020 12:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [TUHS] v7 K&R C X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Maybe it=E2=80=99s time for C++ subset =E2=80=98G' Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications joe@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax > On May 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Paul Winalski = wrote: >=20 > On 5/11/20, Clem Cole wrote: >>=20 >> C++ is an example in my mind of not listening to Dennis' words: >>=20 >> - =E2=80=9CC is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success.=E2=80=9D >=20 > Ditto Fortran. >=20 >> - =E2=80=9CWhen I read commentary about suggestions for where C = should go, I >> often think back and give thanks that it wasn't developed under the >> advice >> of a worldwide crowd.=E2=80=9D >=20 > The old saying of an elephant being a mouse designed by committee = comes to mind. >=20 > Language standards committees tend to be like a pack of dogs > contemplating a tree. Each dog isn't satisfied with the tree until > he's peed on it. >=20 >> - =E2=80=9CA language that doesn't have everything is actually = easier to program >> in than some that do=E2=80=9D >=20 > Big, comprehensive languages such as PL/I, Ada, and C++ tend to have > more of their share of toxic language features--things that shouldn't > be used if you want reliable, easily maintained and understood code. > Ada failed for two reasons: [1] it had cooties because of its > military origins, and [2] it collapsed under the weight of all of its > features. >=20 > -Paul W.