From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12477 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2020 08:09:23 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Nov 2020 08:09:23 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AFB639D57C; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 18:09:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2309D577; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 18:08:54 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=pobox.com header.i=@pobox.com header.b="IEsBsCMW"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EECA59D573; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 18:08:50 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 559 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 18:08:49 AEST Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (pb-smtp20.pobox.com [173.228.157.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 846B99D572 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 18:08:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08547FBC0C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 02:59:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date :message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; s=sasl; bh=AmjvAdCUPvFd6P h/RqmJPuk8Oog=; b=IEsBsCMW9scMEOhRGyZa8aQ/kLsh8VmDlmdzO2LLj40ykf 5hkolIp4t7lcfxkDcbgfmH6px4Q5ogiBS7mYKUQQ8oYV5SsL4r8XYLNW6OIEjhpy Y0Te4R1cEK0xlxuBfttB+1oMXxJ6YRT6rVGnnuoM3jRQNp4mpIM7wFigv1taM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date :message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; q=dns; s=sasl; b=YYAOfdz3 A1J/mbeXUw+hOkqjO6CWpjQKHGgPl4oVf5c7k0rdAhM1qwMcAi6IAhKGM+TdM4d1 4c4twlWE49CFMdutS5Rs9Km3SvTgtNM557x64uEglIPGdMvjqJ9wBJPGRgjZ4Psj toq5Iv7tRUEDbcBm3DiUM5CTAbDDzg4KU9U= Received: from pb-smtp20.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013FFFBC0B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 02:59:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Received: from [192.168.86.66] (unknown [203.132.93.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BF1DFBC09 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 02:59:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B37CCCB0-75D9-4004-A493-748FFFBDC7F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 18:59:23 +1100 Message-Id: <359CCDCB-2739-4FDA-8404-16C1B88410EE@pobox.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: UNIX Heritage Society X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17H35) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 53B62AEA-1CE1-11EB-94AC-E43E2BB96649-29049682!pb-smtp20.pobox.com Subject: Re: [TUHS] Lions notes, early history X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail-B37CCCB0-75D9-4004-A493-748FFFBDC7F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The UNSW Library Appears to have a copy in their storage, accessible by spec= ial request. It has a copyright date of =E2=80=9Cc1977=E2=80=9D so it=E2=80= =99s not the later =E2=80=9Cproperly=E2=80=9D published edition.=20 https://primoa.library.unsw.edu.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?vid=3DUNSWS&doc= id=3DUNSW_ALMA21116225050001731&query=3Dany,contains,John%20lions&_ga=3D2.60= 871272.51366765.1604303632-102727300.1604303632 d > On 2 Nov 2020, at 18:44, Andrew Hume wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFi was a TA for the course which used this as a textbook. > my memory is little faded on this (it was on the other side of my stroke),= > but i believe they were perfect bound (cloth strip and glue) and had > two different colors for the covers (i want to say orange and red). > they might have been just stapled but they were thick enough that staples > might have been insufficient. >=20 > i certainly remember john printing them off on the DEC printer. >=20 > as for the permissions, i can=E2=80=99t recall anything at the time (this w= as about 45 years ago), > but do remember the fuss at the Labs when Bell Labs started printing their= own > high security copies just a couple of years later. >=20 > andrew hume >=20 >> On Nov 1, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>=20 >> Warner Losh and I have been discussing the early history of John >> Lions' "A commentary on the Sixth Edition UNIX Operating System". >> I've been hosting Warren Toomey's version (with some correction of >> scan errors) at http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/Lions/ for >> some years now, and my understanding had been that the book hadn't >> been published, just photocopied, until Warren posted it on >> alt.folklore.computers in 1994. But now it seems that the "book" had >> been published by UNSW when Lions held the course, and only later was >> the license revoked. Does anybody have any insights? What >> restrictions were there on its distribution? What was the format? >> Was it a real book, or just bound notes? >>=20 >> Greg >> -- >> Sent from my desktop computer. >> Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. >> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >> This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program >> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA >=20 --Apple-Mail-B37CCCB0-75D9-4004-A493-748FFFBDC7F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The UNSW Library Appears to have a copy in t= heir storage, accessible by special request.  It has a copyright date o= f =E2=80=9Cc1977=E2=80=9D so it=E2=80=99s not the later =E2=80=9Cproperly=E2= =80=9D published edition. 



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On 2 Nov 2020, at 18:44, Andre= w Hume <andrew@humeweb.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFi was a TA for the course w= hich used this as a textbook.
my memory is little faded on t= his (it was on the other side of my stroke),
but i believe t= hey were perfect bound (cloth strip and glue) and had
two di= fferent colors for the covers (i want to say orange and red).
they might have been just stapled but they were thick enough that staples<= /span>
might have been insufficient.

i certainly remember john printing them off on the DEC printer.
as for the permissions, i can=E2=80=99t recall anyth= ing at the time (this was about 45 years ago),
but do rememb= er the fuss at the Labs when Bell Labs started printing their own
= high security copies just a couple of years later.

   andrew hume

On Nov 1, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <g= rog@lemis.com> wrote:

Warner Losh and I= have been discussing the early history of John
Lions' "A commentary on the Sixth Edition UNIX Op= erating System".
I've= been hosting Warren Toomey's version (with some correction of
scan errors) at http://www.lemis.c= om/grog/Documentation/Lions/ for
some years now, and my understanding had been that the book hadn= 't
been published, ju= st photocopied, until Warren posted it on
alt.folklore.computers in 1994.  But now it seems t= hat the "book" had
be= en published by UNSW when Lions held the course, and only later was
the license revoked.  Do= es anybody have any insights?  What
restrictions were there on its distribution?  What w= as the format?
Was it= a real book, or just bound notes?

Greg
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Sent from my desktop computer.
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Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP p= ublic key.
See comple= te headers for address and phone numbers.
This message is digitally signed.  If your Microso= ft mail program
repor= ts problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA
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