From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6665 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2021 20:11:11 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Jul 2021 20:11:11 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 76A2C9CA1D; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 06:11:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C79C9F1; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 06:10:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 74F819C9F1; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 06:10:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com (mail-pg1-f175.google.com [209.85.215.175]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A4429C9F0 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 06:10:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id w15so16193044pgk.13 for ; Sun, 04 Jul 2021 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=np1Za+YilyVrldYrtKCEte3GhBqmlsHW9a2qjkWAPXo=; b=JrAy7DIpIA9HHbsneaB9m5OBmOJOlEsXpSs/5ulNeqIUpQoT8Q3UezYa05uGBtPN0h mQ6ZiCYsE5PB1XubCxChkJCXQ4KrmGJy77W6xaVVRsAZhM8hZS2kzrH/t/7Y57f8WjWR 1RuVrsiDvsKS3JuJ27lAwE5wkf70ZYche5h4H1fgSWfzhusSgBbeplPMmxO4SM/Py7nb 0yhYKe/RuCvB5FuzNY6PtlzZpomGW9Niu3MD9M+2Q2d+mT0tZM5eM2jvGUfDdBC0u8Zz xqsuWXZaTsHwiRFJVbaCXL8f9XdqC6J5hiFGZIK4am58zxYB2Dxna381O5aTricC6bGc 7PJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532l2u2uhF13q4GvCHulVbqVqerIF3XejWghi6AL+HrccOD+iSYD NiPqEdzSUMg2etU2+9gUC+tAma3UVhk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy57lEm8RkdbzXSOCBs6qTX8GWoTJHKoHc+UfKH7nqDMo0tworKwZqWVKrmNwjt+ukVQ1ZIxw== X-Received: by 2002:a65:67ce:: with SMTP id b14mr11671858pgs.322.1625429417099; Sun, 04 Jul 2021 13:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kdbarto.org (107-193-50-41.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net. [107.193.50.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c10sm9914186pfo.129.2021.07.04.13.10.16 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 04 Jul 2021 13:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (zaphod.local [IPv6:fe80::3:9e34:a94b:b4ab]) by kdbarto.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6303014A6000; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 13:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.80.0.2.43\)) From: David Barto In-Reply-To: <20210704043615.GE817@mcvoy.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 13:10:14 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <362E120E-AAA9-4888-8592-E506169FF7BE@kdbarto.org> References: <20210702213648.GW817@mcvoy.com> <396911b232bae5938068a14fe0f7181e@firemail.de> <20210704004757.GB24671@tau1.ceti.pl> <20210704043615.GE817@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) Subject: Re: [TUHS] [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: david@kdbarto.org Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Jul 3, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 02:47:57AM +0200, Tomasz Rola wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 03, 2021 at 09:20:57AM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: >> [...] >>> Much of Unix's early evolution and thus architecture and philosophy, = came >>> from addressing a set of problems that people had in a historical = context >>> that, one could argue, aren't that relevant anymore. >=20 > Unix still matters. It has mattered for a very long time, I could = argue > it is the most important operating system in the world. Yeah, windows > won, but it didn't win on merits. >=20 One thing I=E2=80=99d like to point out is that Linux On Windows is = becoming a thing, to the point that you can execute native Linux applications for the most part directly in this weird environment. So even M$ sees that Linux could be a threat in the long term and is making an attempt to prevent it from harming the M$ universe. See, you can run your Linux code on Windows, why do you want to run Linux now? 8^) David