From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2fa92a4d for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 06101A1846; Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:44:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3366EA1816; Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:44:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5148EA1816; Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:44:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from GW.SoftJAR.SE (gw.softjar.se [213.115.73.154]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9409EDF1 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2018 04:43:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Smurf.BQTnet.SE (unknown [212.98.90.114]) by GW.SoftJAR.SE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C3E838FCD1; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:43:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bqt@update.uu.se) To: Clem Cole , Mutiny References: <48b2a3f8-66ca-2527-f471-062eead1c6fe@update.uu.se> <1529749991.S.4934.17164.f4-234-225.1529826641.32118@webmail.rediffmail.com> From: Johnny Billquist Message-ID: <37241c8b-dc57-e720-dd63-aaff8dcb9bd3@update.uu.se> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:43:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old mainframe I/O speed X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2018-06-27 15:59, Clem Cole wrote: > Don't you love Wikipedia.   As it has been said by others follow the > money (or in this case the law suites).... Well, in all fairness, what you are now claiming is that Intel ripped off DEC IP when designing PCI. That is not the same thing as claiming that DEC designed PCI themselves. I have not really looked into details on TURBOchannel compared to PCI to say if they are related in some way, but they are definitely not identical. So PCI did originate within Intel, and the Wikipedia article is correct (and even if you point fingers at Wikipedia for various issues about money and whatnot, you most of the time do have source references that can be checked, and which are not fabricated by Wikipedia.) And yes, Intel certainly ripped off DEC IP a couple of times, so I would not be surprised if this turns out to be another example. But DEC did not design PCI. Johnny > ᐧ > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 3:50 AM, Mutiny > wrote: > > >From: Johnny Billquist > > >To me it sounds as if you are saying that DEC did/designed PCI. > >Are you sure about that? As far as I know, PCI was designed and created > >by Intel, and the first users were just plain PC machines. > > Work on PCI began at Intel's Architecture Development Lab c. 1990. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI#History > > > -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol