From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 6790c9ff for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 00:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F30409B8E1; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:30:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12B8946B9; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:30:35 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kilonet.net header.i=@kilonet.net header.b="A5ZL24of"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E1E04946B9; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:30:33 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 438 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:30:33 AEST Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5956C93DBB for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:30:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from medusa.kilonet.net ([72.69.223.115]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id J5Biiog4OkJduJ5BiiZ6Qd; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:23:15 -0700 Received: from [199.89.231.101] (ender.kilonet.net [199.89.231.101]) by medusa.kilonet.net (8.14.8/8.15.1) with ESMTP id x9C0NElp009254 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:23:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kilonet.net; s=default; t=1570839794; bh=jnzi8PPXCagGNhaem0Wm4YTG6nimbULOBN4Kuoog+Vk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=A5ZL24of5DSOgrlND8EqbFg1TwzKB6Jge6w5eNGc876xJPobu2PawW64lRagvKc6Z 6zUfyvm8JQ2+vra36c0K/bx/oGO8+skS2Y31oU4P77RDifBCn5oLpIo6FvzVfvujrk 1GgXbZQXDBfaoX6uid0x6lkDVRq5n5oCYJBVZqZ0= To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <012a01d5808f$0e56dcf0$2b0496d0$@net> <97E7C5AB-B2C6-4C7F-B6D6-E98066E01038@ccc.com> From: Arthur Krewat Message-ID: <378222e3-9adc-50a2-49f0-ea5fbceaa196@kilonet.net> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:23:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <97E7C5AB-B2C6-4C7F-B6D6-E98066E01038@ccc.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------37C3F8FF2BD07DCC63A8277C" Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfI8E9m9y6hqLUh6GGxSmw/d20ZXb/OQT6aTx2WILduo6Oj+qxtxA5ZkSJUGzFybEFwBTeFMO0N11eGDF4JsllRou/uoRbkVms5DerkKqfvrbjAjfArFF 0XasyJKTKjE/c2bDz/D3W49BCyDsxsHO97h9epIewwjeosoAdIp+4P5B Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Curious Question from the Ether about use of Upper and Lower case at DEC X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------37C3F8FF2BD07DCC63A8277C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit While BAH was more involved in PDP-10 stuff, I wonder what her take is on this. On 10/11/2019 8:04 PM, Clem cole wrote: > FYI.  I sent this to one of the lead DOC people from the old days to > see if she knew.  Here is her answer. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:* "Janet Egan" >> *Date:* October 11, 2019 at 7:53:16 PM EDT >> *To:* "'Clem Cole'" >> *Subject:* *RE: Curious Question from the Ether about use of Upper >> and Lower case at DEC* >> >> Hi Clem, >> >> Hmm, I don’t remember whether the style guide addressed that. In the >> docs for  RSX-11M and such I always wrote it “PDP-11”, that is upper >> case with the dash.  I do remember the logo on the machine as always >> lower case with no dash. The PDP-8 had the same style logo. And >> you’re right about seeing the lower case on the cover of the >> handbooks.  I have never seen the lower case with the dash or the >> upper case without it. I don’t think I still have my copy of the >> style guide. Maybe I’ll take a look around my archives for it. >> >> What a fun question to be thinking about . >> >> Janet >> >> *From:*Clem Cole >> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2019 9:47 AM >> *To:* Janet Egan >> *Subject:* Curious Question from the Ether about use of Upper and >> Lower case at DEC >> >> Janet, >> >>  I'm part of The Unix Historical Society (TUHS) mailing list and a >> topic came up that I thought you might be able to shed some >> light on.  The observation was that 'DEC seemed to have a >> schizophrenic attitude to wrt to use of upper and lower case WRT to >> the PDP-11 brand,' i.e. sometimes using "PDP-11" and sometimes >> "pdp11"  (but I note rarely if ever PDP11 or pdp-11) . For instance, >> the logo on the system itself was all lower: PDP-11/40 >>  but >> DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; but when used on >> the places like the cover could be either /e.g. /the >> "pdp11 peripherals handbook" to transcribe the cover exactly but it >> uses upper case "PDP-11" several times on pg 1-1 and the same on the >> binding.  But I could not find examples of pdp-11 or PDP11, /i.e./ if >> all lower it was with the dash or all upper without. >> >> Do you remember if there were rules or guidelines and if so what they >> might have been? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Clem >> --------------37C3F8FF2BD07DCC63A8277C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit While BAH was more involved in PDP-10 stuff, I wonder what her take is on this.

On 10/11/2019 8:04 PM, Clem cole wrote:
FYI.  I sent this to one of the lead DOC people from the old days to see if she knew.  Here is her answer.

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From: "Janet Egan" 
Date: October 11, 2019 at 7:53:16 PM EDT
To: "'Clem Cole'" 
Subject: RE: Curious Question from the Ether about use of Upper and Lower case at DEC

Hi Clem,

 

Hmm, I don’t remember whether the style guide addressed that. In the docs for  RSX-11M and such I always wrote it “PDP-11”, that is upper case with the dash.  I do remember the logo on the machine as always lower case with no dash. The PDP-8 had the same style logo. And you’re right about seeing the lower case on the cover of the handbooks.  I have never seen the lower case with the dash or the upper case without it. I don’t think I still have my copy of the style guide. Maybe I’ll take a look around my archives for it.   

 

What a fun question to be thinking about .

Janet

 

 

From: Clem Cole 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:47 AM
To: Janet Egan
Subject: Curious Question from the Ether about use of Upper and Lower case at DEC

 

Janet,

   I'm part of The Unix Historical Society (TUHS) mailing list and a topic came up that I thought you might be able to shed some light on.  The observation was that 'DEC seemed to have a schizophrenic attitude to wrt to use of upper and lower case WRT to the PDP-11 brand,' i.e. sometimes using "PDP-11" and sometimes "pdp11"  (but I note rarely if ever PDP11 or pdp-11) . For instance, the logo on the system itself was all lower: PDP-11/40 but DEC documentation mostly used uppercase in the text; but when used on the places like the cover could be either  e.g. the "pdp11 peripherals handbook" to transcribe the cover exactly but it uses upper case "PDP-11" several times on pg 1-1 and the same on the binding.  But I could not find examples of pdp-11 or PDP11, i.e. if all lower it was with the dash or all upper without.

 

  Do you remember if there were rules or guidelines and if so what they might have been?

 

Thanks,

Clem


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