From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 12f7ca02 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 19:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 23B83A1845; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 05:36:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9439B9E5BE; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 05:35:27 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=tnetconsulting.net header.i=@tnetconsulting.net header.b=wHG1UUXq; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 913C19E5BE; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 05:35:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [45.33.28.24]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D1189E5BD for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 05:35:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from REDACTED (hal9000.thn.corp.google.com [IPv6:2620:0:102a:11:fe50:e322:5780:92c6]) (authenticated bits=0) by tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-3) with ESMTPSA id w5PJZNUs024566 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:35:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=tnetconsulting.net; s=2015; t=1529955324; bh=r3pIFpftb82u1gpy0z2KGm3Iy9liT3XcwK8HGiXvYwE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Disposition: Content-Language:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:From: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:References:Reply-To: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Sender:Subject:To: User-Agent; b=wHG1UUXq32VRZ7KE1kCFOUIDmaC1k0lF0DdQxReLwRLupl7eSE35S5gjFdfDNa1gc DRRm5ORuG47xy0lR1inFnyOeIjGepPCOLORaCj64b8xLsi1AP63qy7rMhobcX4XwhV 2kXnx5SQua5OHFOz5Rd3kAWTvonSAM0QxcO8517w= To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20180625161016.C16BA18C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Organization: TNet Consulting Message-ID: <3950d997-d310-7cfc-30bf-237e9d872739@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:35:23 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms050606020903050503030807" Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Grant Taylor via TUHS Reply-To: Grant Taylor Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050606020903050503030807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/25/2018 11:37 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > Ah ... Makes sense.=C2=A0 MMDF was possibly my favorite Unix MTA. Hum. I have no experience with MMDF. Perhaps I should play. > We shipped it as Masscomp's default Mail System for a longtime. I never knew that MMDF was used anywhere other than SCO Unix. (I don't=20 know which SCO product.) According to Wikipedia PMDF was used on VMS. Now I wonder if there's=20 any relation to PMDF and what I've frequently heard referred to a Mail-11= =2E > It was only after I left that they broken down and switched to sendmail= =20 > to be like Sun and much of the rest of the internet. The Wikipedia article also indicates that PMDF became Sun Java System=20 Messaging Server. Which seems to counter Clem's comment. Or, perhaps as typical for Sun, there are multiple solutions to the same = ""problem. Ship Sendmail with the base OS but sell a larger product=20 that (hypothetically) does a super set of functions. > any MTA on the internet had to be hardenned. I'm sure MMDF could be=20 > attacked with stack overwrites and strcpy(3) style attacks because when= =20 > Crocker wrote it, that was not what was being considered. Thankfully you don't have to put an MTA directly on the internet to be=20 able to play with it. It's trivial to put an MTA behind a smart host=20 that that shields the (potentially) vulnerable MTA from the brunt of the = Internet. --=20 Grant. . . . unix || die --------------ms050606020903050503030807 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC CxcwggUpMIIEEaADAgECAhAIzwdZriPvq7FXSbc0jGReMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGXMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJHQjEbMBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQHEwdTYWxm b3JkMRowGAYDVQQKExFDT01PRE8gQ0EgTGltaXRlZDE9MDsGA1UEAxM0Q09NT0RPIFJTQSBD bGllbnQgQXV0aGVudGljYXRpb24gYW5kIFNlY3VyZSBFbWFpbCBDQTAeFw0xNzExMTcwMDAw MDBaFw0xODExMTcyMzU5NTlaMCsxKTAnBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWGmd0YXlsb3JAdG5ldGNvbnN1 bHRpbmcubmV0MIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAvhfMhFM6CDAWL4Mg xrKLLbzTCILpI7uBzgG/HFXxV92MX4fba+pAotqOV8of7uF4YykVw94lCsOmFeVkb8VNSn6Q 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