From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2757 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2023 18:43:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Jan 2023 18:43:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7DB42576; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 04:43:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19BE642572 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 04:43:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from makerlispvps ([74.208.29.250]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus002 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LgaZP-1owZTu3hbh-00o2K7; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 19:43:27 +0100 Received: from [192.168.234.128] (unknown [172.58.22.231]) by makerlispvps (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA2C58880D; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:43:26 +0000 (UTC) To: arnold@skeeve.com, cowan@ccil.org References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> <202301190802.30J82KwQ025718@freefriends.org> <20230119150434.GA626@mcvoy.com> <7cc2b7c5-5e98-9299-4fa8-a477fbf4ff77@makerlisp.com> <75cfc721-a662-ddea-1188-767462d747ae@makerlisp.com> <202301211812.30LICtSl021234@freefriends.org> From: Luther Johnson Message-ID: <396750c7-6fc8-9b15-5e68-9f569718ba2e@makerlisp.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:43:25 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202301211812.30LICtSl021234@freefriends.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rhQnpFLejcGUI1sziVVLXSxVqKz4vZlqI7VRPXK9S37fADyk9is AlpIb8AOw8uSEE7SNvlDMI9sAnJtatcrXKfU60tesljV+JGPuprMgR43lUVYH4rXQl5o1SF Z+8jz+u/e2S7LLIKkQLUI/geHJlWxQBlAr48Syt3WFWlD6chRkQU58md2EjtedvowbkyJzm ju9zd35b/vLrA55Dybkhw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:YkY8Tp87IKI=;BP0y3it+uJH/I01gfAFTPhqU3+X ah9EXyXlk/V04HitJuhjMMgBxcn9T35fbgMcz7dRdxjj6/3sJUM8XzAC4iY0ELlkzPWGTj95a qth+6slzRWd52j6hpiW6aCMfyDbu5dufSGEWjuifxiyXfYX934Z2YQmf/livSiDqrGSlqyjeN pZurnGzAtffKwznMcu3tgiQLwC6xXqpTOe0sHl9XALcxGCZIhgbGlk/T2C0wor2QUfU2P4yW7 7IWI2yUg0dyDqRdnVAO7cmfp7oCzvLQNu0YhB3gP52RqxhaPz2QOHIoBkYYd3oLt/R2EMJG5h zj81vvxtJQPqLKEimkKHrJcM4Bf+FOntJUkpkHGCoCNDSGvJlAjwf4ShzuqW70lguktWqlzQr nWwGOMbKIzskyhNWDTVkqqvOe+mQiuJgsEJb2uuXo1Y3woJIbEbR2tASIlAlBNXzC4tYDTZdF 1jejmlyJ+IeV8g8+ipcAMI8mpuRbyGypVROsn6ca7TMG9vr4MXKcAD5ODmKyWx1wAZE1qSL9o kIROodmzBoAgQILKPBRFRGQt1T0CMkDCKGE0SDfqWbf+dV1tdvcxC3d7Pfqpzzp47bjqc3feU ro54dZdRXXaSy49Kt5e0O+6KUuBkOJNiNsrw3FGSkQNcYlWyD8CL3cC7fJQU9bHkM/F1LtpM+ LrnRi/CRVdCbyXsaKcRZUWfkVzWfT7JmzemLbXI+Mw== Message-ID-Hash: PU22NTASGIXBMZAKLNQAFIWGI4QIDRXI X-Message-ID-Hash: PU22NTASGIXBMZAKLNQAFIWGI4QIDRXI X-MailFrom: luther@makerlisp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The era of general purpose computing (Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Yes, I know, but some of that SW development is being automated ... I'm not saying it will totally go away, but the numbers will become smaller, and the number of people who know how to do it will become smaller, and the quality will continue to deteriorate. The number of people who can detect quality problems before the failures they cause, will also get smaller. Not extinct, but endangered, and we are all endangered by the quality problems. On 01/21/2023 11:12 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > Real computers with keyboards etc won't go away; think about > all those servers running the backends of the apps and the > databases for the cool stuff on the phones. Someone is still > going to have to write those bits. > > Arnold > > Luther Johnson wrote: > >> Well, that's a comforting thought, I hope it goes that way. >> >> On 01/19/2023 06:10 PM, John Cowan wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:23 PM Luther Johnson >> > wrote: >>> >>> Computers that are not smart phone-like are definitely on the >>> endangered >>> species list. You know, the kind on a desk, with a keyboard ... >>> >>> >>> I don't have statistics for this, but I doubt it. Consider amateur >>> radio, which has been around for a century now. Amateur stations are >>> an ever-shrinking *fraction* of all transmitters, to say nothing of >>> receivers, but in absolute terms there are now more than 2 million >>> hams in the world, which is almost certainly more than ever.