* [TUHS] Bell Labs history question
@ 2017-08-29 13:07 arnold
2017-08-29 14:13 ` William Cheswick
2017-08-30 15:34 ` Ronald Natalie
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From: arnold @ 2017-08-29 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi.
For a project I'm working on, I wonder if the Bell Labs alumni present
can tell me what was the default group for files for the researchers?
That is, what group did ls -l show?
In particular, in the late 90s - ~ V10 time frame.
Much thanks,
Arnold
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* [TUHS] Bell Labs history question
2017-08-29 13:07 [TUHS] Bell Labs history question arnold
@ 2017-08-29 14:13 ` William Cheswick
2017-08-29 14:29 ` arnold
2017-08-30 15:34 ` Ronald Natalie
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From: William Cheswick @ 2017-08-29 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
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— coma
I happen to have a tar file from coma, one of the main V10 machines I used.
A sample file has
UID 115
GID 20
The tar file is dated April 29 1997
The UID was doubtless “ches”.
— research
I have another file from Oct 14, 1992, named ypsnarf.c,
UID=2009, GUD-2009
This file is probably from research (as in research!ches) and was a MIPS not running V10.
This was probably ches,ches and not helpful.
— bowell
bowell was the master source machine for V10. A file (proxy.c, Mar 3 1993) I had tarred up from there has
UID: 1696
GID: 4
ches
> On 29Aug 2017, at 9:07 AM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> For a project I'm working on, I wonder if the Bell Labs alumni present
> can tell me what was the default group for files for the researchers?
> That is, what group did ls -l show?
>
> In particular, in the late 90s - ~ V10 time frame.
>
> Much thanks,
>
> Arnold
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* [TUHS] Bell Labs history question
2017-08-29 14:13 ` William Cheswick
@ 2017-08-29 14:29 ` arnold
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From: arnold @ 2017-08-29 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks!
Any idea what the group names would have been?
Arnold
William Cheswick <ches at cheswick.com> wrote:
> — coma
>
> I happen to have a tar file from coma, one of the main V10 machines I used.
> A sample file has
>
> UID 115
> GID 20
>
> The tar file is dated April 29 1997
>
> The UID was doubtless “ches”.
>
> — research
> I have another file from Oct 14, 1992, named ypsnarf.c,
> UID=2009, GUD-2009
>
> This file is probably from research (as in research!ches) and was a MIPS not running V10.
> This was probably ches,ches and not helpful.
>
> — bowell
>
> bowell was the master source machine for V10. A file (proxy.c, Mar 3 1993) I had tarred up from there has
> UID: 1696
> GID: 4
>
>
> ches
>
>
> > On 29Aug 2017, at 9:07 AM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > For a project I'm working on, I wonder if the Bell Labs alumni present
> > can tell me what was the default group for files for the researchers?
> > That is, what group did ls -l show?
> >
> > In particular, in the late 90s - ~ V10 time frame.
> >
> > Much thanks,
> >
> > Arnold
>
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* [TUHS] Bell Labs history question
2017-08-29 13:07 [TUHS] Bell Labs history question arnold
2017-08-29 14:13 ` William Cheswick
@ 2017-08-30 15:34 ` Ronald Natalie
2017-08-31 0:27 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Ronald Natalie @ 2017-08-30 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
The last I can probably answer. Early ls -l would only list the user name not the group.
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* [TUHS] Bell Labs history question
2017-08-30 15:34 ` Ronald Natalie
@ 2017-08-31 0:27 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-08-31 6:20 ` arnold
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2017-08-31 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017, Ronald Natalie wrote:
> The last I can probably answer. Early ls -l would only list the user
> name not the group.
Yep; you had to say "ls -lg" to get the group.
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
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* [TUHS] Bell Labs history question
2017-08-31 0:27 ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2017-08-31 6:20 ` arnold
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From: arnold @ 2017-08-31 6:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
> > The last I can probably answer. Early ls -l would only list the user
> > name not the group.
This I knew.
> Yep; you had to say "ls -lg" to get the group.
And this too. V7 ls is this way.
But I would have thought by the V10 timeframe that ls -l would also
have shown the group, and I was wondering what group (group name)
that would have been.
It's not that important.
Thanks to everyone who answered,
Arnold
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