From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3d347a56 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 03:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2747A9BCC7; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:44:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CFD9BCB5; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:44:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5695B9BCA9; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:44:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.bitblocks.com (ns1.bitblocks.com [173.228.5.8]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EBF945FC for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:44:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from altos.bitblocks.com (altos.bitblocks.com [192.168.125.3]) by mail.bitblocks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FDC156E42D; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:43:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: <20200109030853.GH16808@mcvoy.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:43:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3CF02E3C-1BA4-4982-868C-709677FE2FF1@bitblocks.com> References: <20200109012830.GC16808@mcvoy.com> <20200109020720.GG16808@mcvoy.com> <20200109030853.GH16808@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" If this option was added back then (992-94) I might have switched over. I think I was tempted as it was =E2=80=9Cprogrammable=E2=80=9D. = But as it didn=E2=80=99t have any other new features that I really wanted plus I was always messing up undo/redo, probably like Clem, there was not much point in switching. As it happens, I didn=E2=80=99t use the = programmability feature even when it was added to nvi! No point in advocating as anyone who is used to the =E2=80=9Cmore=E2=80=9D= of vim would be frustrated with nvi! > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > I feel like there is an option to get nvi behaviour now but I dunno > why you want that. Are you seriously advocating for less? Because > objectively vim gives you more. >=20 > And it is faithful to vi, it has all the buffers so you can put stuff > back that way. >=20 > Maybe I'm clueless or I drank the koolaid, but I love vim. It's vi > but better. >=20 > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 06:59:02PM -0800, Bakul Shah wrote: >> Early in vim???s life I had emailed Moolenaar asking him if he would = be >> willing to add an option for nvi like behavior for undo/redo. He = wasn???t >> interested so I lost interest. nvi???s u & . behavior is not only = quite clever >> but also much more intuitive and you don???t have to press the ctl = key! >>=20 >>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Clem Cole wrote: >>>=20 >>> make a new command, don't break the old one.... maybe offer a way = to map the new one over the old -- but don't make it the default. >>> and my lawn was lush and green before the snow came ;-) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:07 PM Larry McVoy wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 09:04:46PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: >>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bakul Shah = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> The first thing I do on a new machine is to install nvi. Very = grateful to >>>>> Keith Bostic for implementing it. I do use multiple windows ??? = only >>>>> horizontal splits but that is good enough for me as all my = terminal >>>>> windows are 80 chars wide. Not a vim hater but never saw the need. >>>>=20 >>>> I pretty much do the same thing. I think what I hate about vim is = that it's >>>> almost, vi but not the same. My fingers screw up when I use it. = For >>>> instance, he 'fixed' undo. =20 >>>=20 >>> Holy crap Clem, you need to embrace that. His undo goes back = forever. >>> And you can undo the undo and go forward forever. =20 >>>=20 >>> Not liking that puts you in the "get off my lawn" old guy camp. = Which >>> is fine if that's who you want to be (sometimes I'm that guy). >=20 > --=20 > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com = http://www.mcvoy.com/lm=20