From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9631 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2021 17:50:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Feb 2021 17:50:38 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ED10C9C836; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:50:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115549C6CE; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:50:02 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=tnetconsulting.net header.i=@tnetconsulting.net header.b="WjqW6qHV"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 923499C6CE; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:49:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [45.33.28.24]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8FE39BA4D for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 03:49:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Contact-TNet-Consulting-Abuse-for-assistance by tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-3) with ESMTPSA id 11OHntx8024695 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:49:56 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=tnetconsulting.net; s=2019; t=1614188996; bh=kbsdbUJk94a0gC2/EFu8tKRPVG2n4J5dO+Fz+1ZOVN0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Disposition: Content-Language:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:From: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:References:Reply-To: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Sender:Subject:To: User-Agent; b=WjqW6qHVsuFU3n+Qbi922+b7rRvZpaRZdYIQoU/RjhqYdVnriskDsZYzc8UiAgi9Z DYOQ+Mh3Os/rvVZxVAmQ/nx6tOLa8sNcK9RRW7JYkeVk/JVuRaxfwsBm6pWBAL9pjs QYEd2ZvpGUmXbaF1v0+jBFFbhhMLjNgaQyO1vopE= To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <78fede43-bf9b-5a56-5e59-e6ee5a0ee23d@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <3d2d7b46-41e8-92d7-3a7b-d0f3006bc761@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Organization: TNet Consulting Message-ID: <3e41de9a-aaa3-0501-12e4-a99b589192f4@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:50:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms000100070802040505020503" Subject: Re: [TUHS] /usr separation X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Grant Taylor via TUHS Reply-To: Grant Taylor Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000100070802040505020503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/24/21 7:14 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > I wouldn't say that; I'd rather say that if you have a huge combination= =20 > of configurations that you have to test, those configurations which=20 > aren't regularly tested will tend to bitrot, or have odd failures=20 > in various error cases. The more corners that you have, the more=20 > corner cases. Fair enough. > I would call this the "Tyrany of Gold", as in the reformulated Golden=20 > Rule, "The ones with the Gold, makes the Rules". Being a fan of the golden rule, I would not make, much less use, that=20 derivation. I think it completely changes the meaning of the spirit=20 behind the golden rule. I don't fault your logic. I just dislike where it ended up. > GRUB doesn't care. But various system administration utilities that=20 > want to manage to UEFI boot menu (as distinct from the GRUB boot menu),= =20 > they need to modify the files that are read by the UEFI firmware. Valid distinction. > So it's convenient if it's mounted *somewhere*. Also, even if it's not= =20 > mounted, it's still a partition that has to be around, and one reason=20 > to keep it mounted is to avoid a system administrator from saying,=20 > "hmmm, what's this unused /dev/sda1 partition? I guess I can use it=20 > as an extra swap partition!" I seem to recall hearing about a problem where a rogue rm could=20 accidentally wipe out part of the UEFI. Maybe it was the contents of=20 the /boot/efi partition. So, I'd suggest a happy medium of mounting it=20 Read-Only. That way it's known to be used /and/ it's protected from a=20 simple rogue rm. It can relatively easily be re-mounted as Read-Write=20 when necessary. As well as subsequently re-mounted back to Read-Only. > Yes, in another 5 or 10 years, we can probably completely deprecate=20 > the MBR-based boot sequence. At which point there will be another=20 > series of whiners on TUHS ala the complaint that distributions are=20 > dropping support for i386.... I feel like we've already abandoned i386 as in 80386 (or compatible)=20 architecture. I think we now require Pentium (586?) or better. At some = point, we'll completely remove 32-bit support from mainstream Linux=20 distributions, thus requiring something from the 21st century. > But since most TUHS posters aren't paying $$$ to enterprise=20 > distributions, most enterpise distro engineers are going to give=20 > precisely zero f*cks. But hey, if you want to volunteer to provide=20 > the hard work for supporting these configurations to the community=20 > distribution, like Debian, those distros will be happy to accept the=20 > volunteer help. :-) ~chuckle~ --=20 Grant. . . . unix || die --------------ms000100070802040505020503 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC CzkwggUhMIIECaADAgECAhA/wgXwQl9mDHSg5enGHBeSMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGWMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJHQjEbMBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQHEwdTYWxm b3JkMRgwFgYDVQQKEw9TZWN0aWdvIExpbWl0ZWQxPjA8BgNVBAMTNVNlY3RpZ28gUlNBIENs aWVudCBBdXRoZW50aWNhdGlvbiBhbmQgU2VjdXJlIEVtYWlsIENBMB4XDTIwMTExNjAwMDAw MFoXDTIxMTExNjIzNTk1OVowKzEpMCcGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYaZ3RheWxvckB0bmV0Y29uc3Vs 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