From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3d4ec58c for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 00:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9F517A1A90; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:48:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEDAA1A6D; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:48:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 94F65A1A6D; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:48:09 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 1946 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:48:08 AEST Received: from mail.kaybuena.com (rrcs-24-242-131-146.sw.biz.rr.com [24.242.131.146]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DA3A1A6C; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:48:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (valburn149 [24.242.131.149]) by mail.kaybuena.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w8T0FcRK020205; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:15:40 -0500 From: "Charles H. Sauer" Message-Id: <471D7A71-A0FC-4471-BFC4-0263B0D77AD6@technologists.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BE8A7608-B60F-40FD-902F-A39D5F039605" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:15:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20180928235512.GB24118@minnie.tuhs.org> To: Warren Toomey References: <20180928230444.GB17171@minnie.tuhs.org> <20180928235512.GB24118@minnie.tuhs.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6 (mail.kaybuena.com [24.242.131.146]); Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:15:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Original Unix SOSP paper? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_BE8A7608-B60F-40FD-902F-A39D5F039605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 As Kurt has already remarked, the page counts at = https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D800009&picked=3Dprox = seem all but = conclusive that only the abstract was published as part of the '73 SOSP. = I have old paper copies of OSR & SOSP stuff in the attic, but I don=E2=80=99= t think they start until =E2=80=9975. Next time I=E2=80=99m looking = there, which is probably months or more away, I=E2=80=99ll verify. = Charlie > On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: >> Warren Toomey asks on Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 = for >> a copy of the original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM >> that was published at the SOSP Proceedings of the fourth ACM >> symposium on operating system principles. >>=20 >> The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for me: >=20 > Ah, but: >=20 >> remark =3D "This electronic edition of this paper is a reprint = of >> the version appearing in The Bell System Technical >> Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In = turn, >> that was a revised version of an article that = appeared >> in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July 1974), >> pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version of a >> paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on >> Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. Watson >> Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, October >> 15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between = versions >> occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ = printing; >> we incorporated updated numbers and material on >> portability.", >=20 > so not the original SOSP paper or the original 1974 CACM paper :-) >=20 > However, it's yet another version of the paper. >=20 > I've spent some time tracking down the various "versions" of this = paper. > So far, I know of: >=20 > + the mid-1971 draft, available at = https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/McIlroy_v0/UnixEdition= Zero-Threshold_OCR.pdf > + a later version which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I=20 > haven't been able to get my hands on > + the SOSP presentation, still unclear if there was an actual paper > + the 1974 CACM paper > + the version in 6th Edition Unix, available at = https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DV6/usr/doc/unix > + the 1978 BSTL version cited above >=20 > Are there any others that people know about that I've missed? >=20 > I would like to do some work on how the content changed over time. > The result would be, for me, an interesting paper to read but somehow > I think the readership base would be limited :-) >=20 > Cheers, Warren -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com = =20 fax: +1.512.346.5240 web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ = Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer --Apple-Mail=_BE8A7608-B60F-40FD-902F-A39D5F039605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 As = Kurt has already remarked, the page counts at https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D800009&picked=3Dprox seem all but conclusive that only the abstract was published as = part of the '73 SOSP. I have old paper copies of OSR & SOSP stuff in = the attic, but I don=E2=80=99t think they start until =E2=80=9975. Next = time I=E2=80=99m looking there, which is probably months or more away, = I=E2=80=99ll verify. Charlie

On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:55 PM, = Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:

On = Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 05:20:53PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> asks on = Sat, 29 Sep 2018 09:04:44 +1000 for
a copy of the =  original 1972/73 paper on The UNIX TIME-SHARING SYSTEM
that was published at the SOSP Proceedings of the fourth = ACM
symposium on operating system principles.

The URL in this entry from unix.bib works for = me:

Ah, but:

 remark =3D =       "This electronic edition of this = paper is a reprint of
=             &n= bsp;   the version appearing in The Bell System = Technical
=             &n= bsp;   Journal 57 no. 6, part 2 (July--August 1978). In = turn,
=             &n= bsp;   that was a revised version of an article that = appeared
=             &n= bsp;   in Communications of the ACM, 17, No. 7 (July = 1974),
=             &n= bsp;   pp. 365--375. That article was a revised version = of a
=             &n= bsp;   paper presented at the Fourth ACM Symposium on
=             &n= bsp;   Operating Systems Principles, IBM Thomas J. = Watson
=             &n= bsp;   Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, = October
=             &n= bsp;   15--17, 1973. Most of the differences between = versions
=             &n= bsp;   occur between the C. ACM version and the BSTJ = printing;
=             &n= bsp;   we incorporated updated numbers and material on
=             &n= bsp;   portability.",

so not the original SOSP paper or the original 1974 CACM = paper :-)

However, it's yet another version = of the paper.

I've spent some time tracking = down the various "versions" of this paper.
So far, I know = of:

+ the mid-1971 draft, available at https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/McIlroy_v0/= UnixEditionZero-Threshold_OCR.pdf
+ a later version = which is in the Nokia Bell Labs archives, which I
=  haven't been able to get my hands on
+ the SOSP = presentation, still unclear if there was an actual paper
+ = the 1974 CACM paper
+ the version in 6th Edition Unix, = available at https://minnie.tuhs.org//cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DV6/usr/doc/uni= x
+ the 1978 BSTL version cited above

Are there any others that people know about that I've = missed?

I would like to do some work on how = the content changed over time.
The result would be, for = me, an interesting paper to read but somehow
I think the = readership base would be limited :-)

Cheers, = Warren

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