From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9ee17ccf for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 804139C117; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:36:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BEA93D2E; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:36:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1EB7393D2E; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:36:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from rooster.satexas.com (rooster.satexas.com [207.235.90.2]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6584193D24 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:36:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rooster.satexas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158F51C2A86; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:36:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from rooster.satexas.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rooster.satexas.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12555-06; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:36:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from nat100.technologists.com (rrcs-71-42-153-195.sw.biz.rr.com [71.42.153.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: csauer@nwhillsumc.org) by rooster.satexas.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E201E1C2A82; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:36:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Charles H. Sauer" Message-Id: <479EA77E-E0A7-4B27-AEBB-42948309C03E@technologists.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_149B84C8-06DB-4FC9-851A-93A3591DD3F1" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:36:14 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20191106000600.GD26959@mit.edu> To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" References: <86352c85-1b06-6035-de4a-5b5a64f1cf98@technologists.com> <20191106000600.GD26959@mit.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) X-Virus-Scanned: World Net ProMail v2.0.0 Subject: Re: [TUHS] one element of one of M factions of N companies [Re: Amdahl UTS, AIX/370, AIX/ESA X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_149B84C8-06DB-4FC9-851A-93A3591DD3F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes, but maybe the forced march at Athena was a year or so later, =E2=80=99= 88 or =E2=80=9989?? There was a preceding IBM internal =E2=80=9Cforced = march=E2=80=9D involving Bruce Walker from LCC, people from Palo Alto = responsible for AOS (two co-authors of = https://technologists.com/sauer/Convergence_of_AIX_and_4.3BSD.pdf = plus = a couple of others) and AIX people. The work in that 1989 Uniforum paper = was done in 1988, targeting AIX 3, as discussed a little more in = https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-the-very-be= ginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/ = .=20 When I left IBM at the beginning of May 1989, I was running AOS on my = home RT and AIX 2.2 on my office machine. > On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 04:11:11PM -0600, Charles H Sauer wrote: >> It has been illuminating, surprising, but not shocking, the last week = of so, >> to learn from from posts here, that AIX/370 was hard to get and = mostly a >> university offering. What we (AIX people associated with RT/PC and = then >> RS/6000) were told was that "everybody", especially Federal = customers, >> wanted what became known as TCF (the original Locus work) for 370 and = PS/2. >> I remember one Federal Systems Division person who seemed especially >> effective as a Locus advocate. I'd always assumed AIX/370 and AIX = PS/2 >> became more available than reported here, but I left IBM before they = were >> released. >>=20 >> Enumerating factions/companies, just regarding AIX & Unix, there were = the >> Federal Systems faction/company, the academic factions/company = (primarily >> two factions, BSD & TCF, in Palo Alto), the PS/2 faction/company, the >> Rochester System/38->AS/400 faction/company, the Austin development = lab, >> several Research locations (primarily Yorktown), ... >>=20 >=20 > There was also AOS (Academic Operating System) which was basically > repackaged BSD 4.x ported to the IBM/RT PC[1]. At MIT's Project > Athena, most people massively preferred it to AIX, but we were force > marched to AIX by 1987 or 1988. :-/ >=20 > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RT_PC#Software >=20 > - Ted -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com = =20 fax: +1.512.346.5240 web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ = Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer --Apple-Mail=_149B84C8-06DB-4FC9-851A-93A3591DD3F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Yes, = but maybe the forced march at Athena was a year or so later, =E2=80=9988 = or =E2=80=9989?? There was a preceding IBM internal =E2=80=9Cforced = march=E2=80=9D involving Bruce Walker from LCC, people from Palo Alto = responsible for AOS (two co-authors of https://technologists.com/sauer/Convergence_of_AIX_and_4.3BSD.p= df plus a couple of others) and AIX people. The work in = that 1989 Uniforum paper was done in 1988, targeting AIX 3, as discussed = a little more in https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-= the-very-beginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/. 

When I left IBM at the = beginning of May 1989, I was running AOS on my home RT and AIX 2.2 on my = office machine.

On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:06 PM, = Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:

On = Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 04:11:11PM -0600, Charles H Sauer wrote:
It has been = illuminating, surprising, but not shocking, the last week of so,
to learn from from posts here, that AIX/370 was hard to get = and mostly a
university offering. What we (AIX people = associated with RT/PC and then
RS/6000) were told was that = "everybody", especially Federal customers,
wanted what = became known as TCF (the original Locus work) for 370 and PS/2.
I remember one Federal Systems Division person who seemed = especially
effective as a Locus advocate. I'd always = assumed AIX/370 and AIX PS/2
became more available than = reported here, but I left IBM before they were
released.

Enumerating factions/companies, just regarding = AIX & Unix, there were the
Federal Systems = faction/company, the academic factions/company (primarily
two factions, BSD & TCF, in Palo Alto), the PS/2 = faction/company, the
Rochester System/38->AS/400 = faction/company, the Austin development lab,
several = Research locations (primarily Yorktown), ...


There was also AOS (Academic = Operating System) which was basically
repackaged BSD 4.x = ported to the IBM/RT PC[1].  At MIT's Project
Athena, = most people massively preferred it to AIX, but we were force
marched to AIX by 1987 or 1988.  :-/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RT_PC#Software

- Ted

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