From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12779 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2022 01:11:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Feb 2022 01:11:09 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5DE659D6C0; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:11:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF159B9F3; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:10:54 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=loomcom.com header.i=@loomcom.com header.b="HIF8Oj3I"; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b="UJXhlVni"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CEE969B9F3; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:10:52 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 501 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 11:10:51 AEST Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A66B29B95E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:10:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135305C00F3 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap47 ([10.202.2.97]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 01 Feb 2022 20:02:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=loomcom.com; h= cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm2; bh=ziizYpaKVQz5Q2C5pkt+pwSj3dG/cCX4+p/+n8 waRzg=; b=HIF8Oj3Irc3ko92TtDzUlS7nr72cqVtGGByRFZwYjDBiG3hiwjXDfi g8HXUWJqVdXMCr7NG2Ni1a9Bc353e0jidufkqMDZwjFCfnlMACDbHdBLcz1FvFFX q1jUZrRdiLVlt5Jo8vl9qWYGzTdo5Vh28sD0joQBNnyFxsOcXBJ7iChoFfUeV+Rr 9KnuomqpAsa7OmPAGvBhnhCNl244K3JSqUCqmDsZdsPr9HGQz4k1XxxpDVFLYY8P mzRJf3ZI0OjS/JmNDc830CBXgM4cl5tWSEMjHSEdqZfm7QfqxI1j9Nb2wfAdI6zK F/wzGgF8vPSoc1tdUVqSfeil5pQbL7mA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:date:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=ziizYpaKVQz5Q2C5p kt+pwSj3dG/cCX4+p/+n8waRzg=; b=UJXhlVnifa+BlHOINqz9+CdUen9/S9glG 77dvNb/RKRtNVic1iHFhHmxRHp1l1rBAwUbMbu5KZjDnwCbKSggJO/KVr/t7LbIL 0Mr+YealidVzLCJAwO8NkFhf4i0TkioJ4fKud8s+GRbPNf7NKgGizB71IURiHoqd 2kZD57rK4eyKFWHXt+XrbFy6/IRp4QtX2zkAjA64uXbw6Irwj2WQ1Beho3BMRS4F plA3TeaigTOp8ZbO+bufwvc0CzZQ0cLwww/aNcaq42RK2DfBjmmO4dW5JMkX6IiJ t0p5uOwHG9WittiDVyM6Kkcj3Mq5710qhxVj4pZfgp7Q4aV+ke0Xw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddrgeeggddvgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesrgdtre erreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdfuvghthhcuofhorhgrsghithhofdcuoeifvggssehlohho mhgtohhmrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeejudekkefhvdeghfefjedvffeiue evjeduveeuvefhtdeuudfggfektedtvdejtdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecu rfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeifvggssehlohhomhgtohhmrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id C1E9627402BF; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:02:28 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-4585-ga9d9773056-fm-20220113.001-ga9d97730 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <47c39383-eca8-4ba4-9f39-731962588d18@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 17:02:05 -0800 From: "Seth Morabito" To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20515ad397ed4534add5114d45355f3d Subject: Re: [TUHS] BSD 4.1, 4.1x, Quasijarus, and 4.3x X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --20515ad397ed4534add5114d45355f3d Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Will Senn wrote: > All, > > I did my research on this, but it's still a bit fuzzy (why is it that people's memories from 40 years ago are so malleable?). > > 1. What are y'all's recollections regarding BSD 4.1's releases, vis a vis the VAX. In McKusick's piece, Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix, I get one perspective, and from Sokolov's Quasijarus project, I get quite another. In terms of popularity and in terms of stable performance, what say you? Was 4.1 that much better than 4BSD? Was 4.1as obsolete immediately as McKusick says? 4.1b sounds good with FFS, was it? 4.1c's the last pre 4.2 release, but it sounds like it was nearly a beta version of 4.2... > > 2. Sokolov implies that the CSRG mission started going off the rails with the 4.3/4.3BSD-Tahoe and it all went pear shaped with the 4.3-Reno release, and that Quasijarus puts the mission back on track, is that so? My recollection from 1997 or 1998 is that Sokolov appeared out of nowhere, alone, with (as someone else in this thread best put it) a "revolutionary zeal", and decided to create Quasijarus with the specific goal of supporting VAXen beyond the models that had been originally supported under 4.2. Sokolov was 18 or 19 at the time, so I can certainly understand the revolutionary zeal (I miss mine!). Beyond that, I don't think anything else ever came out of it. -Seth -- Seth Morabito Poulsbo, WA web@loomcom.com --20515ad397ed4534add5114d45355f3d Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Will Senn wrote:
All,

I di= d my research on this, but it's still a bit fuzzy (why is it that people's memories from 40 years ago are so malleable?).
=
1. What are y'all's recollections regarding BSD 4.1's releases, vis a vis the VAX. In McKusick's piece, Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix, I get one perspective, and from Sokolov's Quasijarus project, I get quite another. In terms of popularity and in terms of stable performance, what say you? Was 4.1 that much better than 4BSD? Was 4.1as obsolete immediately as McKusick says? 4.1b sounds good with FFS, was it? 4.1c's the last pre 4.2 release, but it sounds like it was nearly a beta version of 4.2...

2. So= kolov implies that the CSRG mission started going off the rails with the 4.3/4.3BSD-Tahoe and it all went pear shaped with the 4.3-Reno release, and that Quasijarus puts the mission back on track, is that so?

My recollec= tion from 1997 or 1998 is that Sokolov appeared out of nowhere, alone, w= ith (as someone else in this thread best put it) a "revolutionary zeal",= and decided to create Quasijarus with the specific goal of supporting V= AXen beyond the models that had been originally supported under 4.2. Sok= olov was 18 or 19 at the time, so I can certainly understand the revolut= ionary zeal (I miss mine!). Beyond that, I don't think anything else eve= r came out of it.

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