From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4283 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2023 20:32:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Sep 2023 20:32:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFD440C07; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 06:32:48 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1695155569; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=zqZNvS6B+y/YMslY1KD3+Ldt5byL7nItNTCw3rYDtk8=; b=NeauuurA6UIrROC40GL/QBnF18lOWnQkgVgqnKasks8eiWeDk9c+4LZSTteWEi6ENluMdM klvzcdHFUo56h3bHfFVaqsogY0DnICs7vkj3tON5gUHI7j4WEHwGRztiUo9vUyyuG7VK+M ZtFVffxNmcfhjLJaKaG8/4oiZ8zcuhI= Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53B1F40BFF for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 06:32:40 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1695155557; x=1695414757; bh=zqZNvS6B+y/YMslY1KD3+Ldt5byL7nItNTCw3rYDtk8=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=lojERDZLQt7dtIRwglZ5RDNbs3XIHM8W62yC5MoX052BYZ5873V7tOOPV5TOLNC+J bBwW+GUYaYr7xAwZFf2uUWsFG9FGag6mItLDCPc3YIwIy/Pas7zaoZUPYKHUyx69kc MImG+FPJEgNCMVjTsV/ZWFCHnv2OdH7Jzvjkv4LanRjNSIlOG06vYaUW/O/ald1LcU ojYEHQ7MmQDr0emGCIKWZUaV7hr54xjDYwc8wiaJcO2XrTNxRekMVD/nEAPWtkFW0Y ED9IS07AO5SoCgYxWC0GdQ/LB9upyaISe+oQ1ReCvKRMkbnofbwYiyoi4jbnwpDk7O k+RIbXxE1IZ3w== Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:32:15 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: <4CmySC-mFud1dlrqfAq1itmNKoTWVi8cTuAqCvtUengKvv5CWEoYCFf6-I18dwf5BVSZWAxC-B6BP6Y1e0Gi_mlga344b5cxu5TlUCLXHeg=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: EU4QSXB2ZFWJJSP7BYL4SNWWARLDDRJD X-Message-ID-Hash: EU4QSXB2ZFWJJSP7BYL4SNWWARLDDRJD X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Project Idea: The UNIX Programmer's Manual: Heritage Edition List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco I haven't known when or how to bring up this project idea, but figure I mig= ht as well start putting feelers out since my Dragon Quest project is start= ing to slow down and I might focus back on UNIX manual stuff. So something painfully missing from my and I'm sure plenty of other folks' = libraries is a nice, modern paper UNIX manual that takes the past few decad= es into consideration. The GNU project, BSDs, etc. ship manpages of course= , and there's the POSIX manpages, but I'm a sucker for a good print manual.= Something I'm thinking of producing as a "deliverable" of sorts from my d= ocumentation research is a new-age UNIX manual, derived as closely as possi= ble from the formal UNIX documentation lineages (so Research, SysV, and BSD= pages), but: 1. Including subsequent POSIX requirements 2. Including an informational section in each page with a little histor= y and some notes about current implementations, if applicable. This would = include notes about "dead on the vine" stuff like things plucked from the C= B-UNIX, MERT/PG, and PWB lines. The history part could even be a separate = book, that way the manual itself could stay tight and focused. This would = also be a good place for luminaries to provide reflections on their involve= ment in given pieces. One of the main questions that I have in mind is what the legal landscape o= f producing such a thing would entail. At the very least, to actually call= it a UNIX Programmer's Manual, it would probably need to pass some sort of= compliance with the materials The Open Group publishes. That said, the ow= nership of the IP as opposed to the trademarks is a little less certain, so= I would be a bit curious who all would be involved in specifically getting= copyright approval to publish anything that happened the commercial line a= fter the early 80s, so like new text produced after 1982. I presume anythi= ng covered by the Caldera license at least could be published at-cost, but = not for a profit (which I'm not looking for anyway.) Additionally, if possible, I'd love to run down some authorship information= and make sure folks who wrote stuff up over time are properly credited, if= not on each page ala OWNER at least in a Acknowledgements section in the f= ront. As far as production, I personally would want to do a run with a couple of = different cover styles, comb bound, maybe one echoing the original Bell Lab= oratories UNIX User's Manual-style cover complete with Bell logo, another u= sing the original USENIX Beastie cover, etc. but that also then calls into = question more copyrights to coordinate, especially with the way the Bell lo= go is currently owned, that could get complicated. Anywho, anyone know of any such efforts like this? If I actually got such = a project going in earnest, would folks find themselves interested in such = a publication? In any case I do intend to start on a typesetter sources ve= rsion of this project sometime in the next year or so, but ideally I would = want it to blossom into something that could result in some physical media.= This idea isn't even half-baked yet by the way, so just know I don't have= a roadmap in place, it's just something I see being a cool potential proje= ct over the coming years. - Matt G.