From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31034 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2020 18:43:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Aug 2020 18:43:35 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5CA099CAAC; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 04:43:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156D993D06; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 04:42:51 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=serissa.com header.i=@serissa.com header.b="FBsiNwNG"; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b="TOrR2D8K"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1B04293D6A; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 03:40:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A32093D06 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 03:40:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577905C0099; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:40:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=serissa.com; h= from:message-id:content-type:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; s=fm3; bh=s+5ijQ+3j56ov03L5bTe9cU ZPTU+HZV03yZqhPdshdI=; b=FBsiNwNGMQwYzK5AQTCp4M/3vy+cwVnVREs144v k5fhCT91WJ0zsO8/1rc2krgZXssVsZTuNAkGpRMavIK21fpJ3hK5Ldod+kVg0pzn 9L5dfpgqSREhAJunbh6Ia8wPFMQmto6/lnUndkw7WFQA9eO15Wawi/FLzk7p4Ima RFSqOe4x9fg4OF8awjgBBxTCHg9HG7427LK7sncN+1gKWgVQ3TEXr9xdKiNNZRot D8d2tXMqn5aVJV7tWJYLB/tJcLfT3R40x2qqX1CRAnJzcI680XDe8/dRp7mEaa3I MUgEfsdAqNhNKdRQiGunXpoEYFJJgzmkIrGnOJmUKCmAEeA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=s+5ijQ +3j56ov03L5bTe9cUZPTU+HZV03yZqhPdshdI=; b=TOrR2D8KSNRz7EG1Rmbekz Lk4Z4wDlIA02r6YGFPZDhs9TPT/uvo5s65GTXd6tvD0wytIur9cIjq2WUJhzU4Xs zDanf0AZa/1GLDaU0NXmI7n5UrJO0m74P1Jd6hVCF3us5GfUgqgNYBKV5Vk8csVc 3eZKIlI75ewd88sjmLnDGOynvMX9tteR2LdOjslnCuSheWkA0whZZ0dYUrsQDAoW 41/t28kySW+qxcfH4ecMl+b79vz46bWplNCk2q68IeJT31XLOSkS5p+4WqYFnoFn MLju/y6pRNy1PEyuz3lryIyXAbh5I14/Ujva0Stnp5IqkK4jttx8MEmtJEsJDkjA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrledtgdduudekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffktgggufffjgfvfhfosegrtdhmrehhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpefnrgifrhgv nhgtvgcuufhtvgifrghrthcuoehsthgvfigrrhhtsehsvghrihhsshgrrdgtohhmqeenuc ggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeltedtuedufefgudfhhefhvdejffefiedtuedujedvleffleek gedtleeiieffueenucffohhmrghinhepohhlughmohhushgvrdgtohhmpdgssggtrdgtoh hmpdguihgtkhhlhihonhdrtghomhenucfkphepudejfedrjeeirddvtdelrdeiheenucev lhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehsthgvfigrrh htsehsvghrihhsshgrrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: from kailua-display.stewart.org (pool-173-76-209-65.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.76.209.65]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DFD163060272; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Stewart Message-Id: <4E2C2AB2-A4F0-4A1D-B7F2-D1858384AC86@serissa.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_263B5917-1803-4F49-9707-1BDFE3D6D7D2" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:40:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5B43EBFF-B557-4FD3-8146-188D7ED4C64D@gmail.com> To: Earl Baugh References: <5B43EBFF-B557-4FD3-8146-188D7ED4C64D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Subject: Re: [TUHS] in memoriam - Bill English, mouse co-creator X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_263B5917-1803-4F49-9707-1BDFE3D6D7D2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 2020, Aug 11, at 1:30 PM, Earl Baugh wrote: >=20 > The Sun 1 also had a Hawley mouse ( as an early option ), before they = switched to the optical.=20 >=20 > Earl=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Clem Cole wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >> Thanks, Will. A mild sigh while reading it though because history = seems to often forget Jack Hawley's role. Truth is he did not invent = it, but he >>is<< the one that made them and got people to use them (the = Xerox Alto's used a Hawley Mouse, DEC would use it, E&S used them etc.). = As this article points out, he made about 80% of all the mice used in = the 1970s: https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/ = - certainly the first ones I = used at CMU before we got the Altos and then after the first Alto's = appeared. =20 >>=20 >> Tek's Magnolia used a flavor of the Hawley mouse in 1979 [the ones = with buttons horizontal/parallel to the 'body' - the original Alto mouse = the buttons were horizontal and colored), but I don't remember what = 3Rivers PascAlto used - I think so, but I don't remember. >>=20 >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:50 PM Will Senn > wrote: >> All, >>=20 >> About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who = along with Douglas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our = beloved mouse: >>=20 >> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033 = >>=20 >> I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group = evaluating Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies. >>=20 >> -Will >> --=20 >> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF Hawley built the first mice used by PARC. The first optical mouse was = invented, AFAIK, by Dick Lyon, see = http://www.dicklyon.com/tech/OMouse/OpticalMouse-Lyon.pdf = This paper = has a brief history of Xerox mechanical mice as well. Dick is just a renaissance engineer, with contributions to hearing aids, = the Fovea camera, and he later designed the Google Street View cameras. = His book on Human and Machine Hearing is outstanding. -L --Apple-Mail=_263B5917-1803-4F49-9707-1BDFE3D6D7D2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 2020, Aug 11, at 1:30 PM, Earl Baugh <earl.baugh@gmail.com> wrote:

The Sun 1 also had a Hawley = mouse ( as an early option ), before they switched to the = optical. 

Earl 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 11, 2020, at = 10:03 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Thanks, Will. A mild = sigh while reading it though because history seems to often forget Jack = Hawley's role.   Truth is he did not invent it, but he = >>is<< the one that made them and got people to use them = (the Xerox Alto's used a Hawley Mouse, DEC would use it, E&S used = them etc.).  As this article points out, he made about 80% of all = the mice used in the 1970s:  https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/  - certainly = the first ones I used at CMU before we got the Altos and then after the = first Alto's appeared.   

Tek's Magnolia used a = flavor of the Hawley mouse in 1979 [the ones with buttons = horizontal/parallel to the 'body' - the original Alto mouse the = buttons were horizontal and colored), but I don't remember what 3Rivers = PascAlto used - I think so, but I don't remember.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:50 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com>= wrote:
=20 =20 =20
All,

About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who along with Douglas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our beloved mouse:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033
=
I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group evaluating Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies.

-Will
 
--=20
GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462  7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 =
BAAF

Hawley built the first mice used by PARC. =  The first optical mouse was invented, AFAIK, by Dick Lyon, = see http://www.dicklyon.com/tech/OMouse/OpticalMouse-Lyon.pdf&n= bsp; This paper has a brief history of Xerox mechanical mice as = well.

Dick is just a renaissance = engineer, with contributions to hearing aids, the Fovea camera, and he = later designed the Google Street View cameras. His book on Human and = Machine Hearing is outstanding.

-L

= --Apple-Mail=_263B5917-1803-4F49-9707-1BDFE3D6D7D2--