From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31796 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2022 19:28:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Jul 2022 19:28:03 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F2540106; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 05:27:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.167]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52C7840036 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 05:27:25 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 4a20a9dd-053d-11ed-92d5-005056abbe64 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.38]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 4a20a9dd-053d-11ed-92d5-005056abbe64; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 21:27:11 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:from; bh=WjsJ2n18JxiSdIOFH+gysMcP/SB1WHW4O3ApKpuyZGU=; b=XMhHOpNIgnM41bpY+qxD1yzv4LqtviSeFYfHiSQcCBplzZ/PkhJNYHXqJJPx//l4MMSvWZWpmgK35 t21odO/gL0xFfx5g49as6QbuMcRdGfyQ9ItOq+zmbHbJNtNisHJOZfObrHv5gLMdh5y2EQ5qFO+GtN PnmNEvXp9eT07Pfw= X-KPN-MID: 33|9PBm5uPwpIJZvPeIKxON61oDs5GrjywmY5CpzXZBsxDMS5BcboZaxPsEtvqA6fd CD6GJ5IhAW7DP2mhVvU4MyAPqkR6La96mByV1NQG00qo= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|TSNACxVfCE6SEj3dygOVF7sR6lRQElRjpnU4UkMHx6r6+itjA+Q9hiBdPwRFSvH 6CJTcR/sDfR9LDB/N4ANAdA== X-Originating-IP: 77.172.38.96 Received: from smtpclient.apple (77-172-38-96.fixed.kpn.net [77.172.38.96]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 4af443bc-053d-11ed-b5e7-005056abf0db; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 21:27:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul Ruizendaal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: <4FE61203-9EDB-4984-B062-00D62215C248@planet.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 21:27:12 +0200 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Message-ID-Hash: MKCZMZ3EG6RFVNR6CZ5UISFN7AEPCIPW X-Message-ID-Hash: MKCZMZ3EG6RFVNR6CZ5UISFN7AEPCIPW X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: V8 4BSD or 32V Based? (was: Unix V8 Chaosnet, any takers?) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > Regarding select, I recall that Dennis implemented it and passed it to > Berkeley*, but maybe not. He certainly had a hand in its design; I > distinctly remember talking to him about it after one of his trips out > west. That is an interesting comment. DMR was on the steering committee for = what would become 4.2BSD. I once spoke with Kirk McKusick about the origins of the sockets API and = I think he told me that there was a lot of debate in the committee = whether descriptor readiness API should be stateful (like Haverty=E2=80=99= s await() https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DBBN-V6/ken/awaitr.c= ) or stateless (like select). According to Sam Leffler (who I think = added select() to 4.1c BSD) the select system call was somewhat modelled = after the ADA select statement.=20 I am speculating now, but I would not be surprised if dmr favoured the = stateless design and contributed to its design. Paul