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Salewski" To: "TUHS (The Unix Heritage Society)" Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID-Hash: PHK34RCTAJSKW5VKUNLREHJZ6OBVVWCN X-Message-ID-Hash: PHK34RCTAJSKW5VKUNLREHJZ6OBVVWCN X-MailFrom: ads@salewski.email X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_Version_256_of_systemd_boasts_=2742=25_less_Unix_philosophy=27_=E2=80=A2_The_Register?= List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Jun 13, 2024, at 14:39, segaloco via TUHS wrote: [...] > Are there any known attempts in the modern age to roll Linux with > something resembling research/BSD init? That would be a nice counter > to the proliferation of systemd. Even if it doesn't make a dent in the > actual uptake, at least it'd feel cathartic to have an alternative in > the opposite direction. > > - Matt G. I'm interested in hearing about other options in this space, too. The ones that I'm aware of include: 1. Slackware http://www.slackware.com/ 2. Debian, with sysvinit-core or some other init https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/customizing.en.html#sysvinit https://wiki.debian.org/Init 3. Devuan (for a Debian derived system w/o systemd) https://www.devuan.org/ The most no-fuss, just-works-out-of-the-box-without-systemd approach would probably be to use Slackware. Debian can be easily customized to run without systemd, once you know the formulas[0]. I did not include Alpine Linux[1] in the above list because it includes lots of tools in a single executable (possibly "init").[2] It does not use systemd by default, though. I mention Devuan only because I'm aware of it -- I've never used it in anger. -Al [0] Even on a systemd-infected host, it isn't much more complicated than: * install the 'sysvinit-core' package (and friends) * pin the 'systemd-sysv' package to '-1' (never install) * reboot * purge most (or all) packages with 'systemd' in their name [1] https://www.alpinelinux.org/about/ [2] It's great in certain circumstances, though -- it's my go-to distro base for most of my small-footprint-scenarios work with Linux containers.