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* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy'
@ 2019-01-09  5:42 Dave Horsfall
  2019-01-09 12:02 ` Dan Cross
  2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09  5:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019, Warner Losh wrote:

> The name seems obvious because I've seen it for the last 30 years. But 
> I've not seen it used elsewhere, nor have I seen it documented except in 
> relationship to Unix. It could have been called blkio or bufio or bio or 
> even just work or morework and still been as meaningful. VMS uses the 
> FDT table to process the IRPs sent down. RT-11 has a series of entry 
> points that have boring names. Other systems have a start routine 
> (though more often that is a common routine used by both the queue me 
> and isr functions). There is a wide diversity here...

I must admit that this is an interesting thread, just as long as it wasn't 
called XXoptimize() unless you wanted a backlash from British English 
speakers :-)

In hindsight I suppose that XXstrategy() is obvious, but back then, as you 
ask?  Dunno, but Ken might (if he's reading this thread).

One of my favo[u]rites is sched(); some pronounce it as "shed" and others 
as "sked".  Another American/British thing, I think...

Wasn't it Mark Twain who said "Two nations divided by a common language"?

I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move) 
but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...

ObGripe: Could anyone replying to the digest version please take the 
trouble to update the Subject: line accordingly?  I've now put the 
original back as a courtesy to others, but I shouldn't have to; it's as 
bad as top-posting.

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09  5:42 [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' Dave Horsfall
@ 2019-01-09 12:02 ` Dan Cross
  2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah
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From: Dan Cross @ 2019-01-09 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 12:43 AM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org wrote:

> [snip]
>
> Wasn't it Mark Twain who said "Two nations divided by a common language"?
>

Apocryphal, actually, but based on a line from one of George Bernard Shaw's
plays.

        - Dan C.

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* [TUHS] Lions book (not  Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09  5:42 [TUHS] Origin of the name 'strategy' Dave Horsfall
  2019-01-09 12:02 ` Dan Cross
@ 2019-01-09 15:12 ` " Bakul Shah
  2019-01-09 16:09   ` Warner Losh
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2019-01-09 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>
> I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move) 
> but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...

https://github.com/kanner/lions-book

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah
@ 2019-01-09 16:09   ` Warner Losh
  2019-01-09 16:20     ` Clem Cole
  2019-01-09 17:20     ` Andy Kosela
  2019-01-09 22:24   ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-01-09 23:09   ` Cág
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From: Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bakul Shah; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
> move)
> > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
>
> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book


Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
something... This is a lot easier to grep :)

Warner

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 16:09   ` Warner Losh
@ 2019-01-09 16:20     ` Clem Cole
  2019-01-09 16:50       ` Warner Losh
  2019-01-09 17:50       ` Bakul Shah
  2019-01-09 17:20     ` Andy Kosela
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From: Clem Cole @ 2019-01-09 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of
the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does
seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
when the original was in roff.

I wonder if the author as well as Dennis are both chuckling somewhere at
all of us ;-)
ᐧ

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:10 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
>> move)
>> > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
>>
>> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
>
>
> Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
> of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
> something... This is a lot easier to grep :)
>
> Warner
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 16:20     ` Clem Cole
@ 2019-01-09 16:50       ` Warner Losh
  2019-01-09 22:53         ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-01-09 17:50       ` Bakul Shah
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From: Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Clem Cole; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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What was amusing was seeing what I thought was a copy tucked away on the
shelves of Kirk McKusick's library, next to weird things with odd labels
like "BSD 4.5" (really something between what we know as BSD 4.0 and BSD
4.1 when the notion was the next BSD release tape would be called BSD5)
next to more mundane ones like "V6" and "V32" etc. It's definitely a piece
of folklore that turns up in the oddest places...

Warner

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 9:20 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of
> the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does
> seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
> when the original was in roff.
>
> I wonder if the author as well as Dennis are both chuckling somewhere at
> all of us ;-)
> ᐧ
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:10 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
>>> move)
>>> > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
>>>
>>> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
>>
>>
>> Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
>> of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
>> something... This is a lot easier to grep :)
>>
>> Warner
>>
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 16:09   ` Warner Losh
  2019-01-09 16:20     ` Clem Cole
@ 2019-01-09 17:20     ` Andy Kosela
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From: Andy Kosela @ 2019-01-09 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
>> move)
>> > but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
>>
>> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
>
>
> Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
> of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
> something... This is a lot easier to grep :)
>
>
>
That one with hackers on the cover is still available on Amazon[1].  It was
published in 1996.

—Andy

[1]
https://www.amazon.com/Lions-Commentary-Unix-John/dp/1573980137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547054228&sr=8-1&keywords=john+lion+unix+6

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 16:20     ` Clem Cole
  2019-01-09 16:50       ` Warner Losh
@ 2019-01-09 17:50       ` Bakul Shah
  2019-01-09 17:55         ` Warner Losh
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2019-01-09 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:20:28 -0500 Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
> Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of
> the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does
> seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
> when the original was in roff.

From the preface:
  The co-operation of the ``nroff'' program
  must also be mentioned. Without it,
  these notes could never have been produced in this form. However it has
  yielded some of its more enigmatic
  secrets so reluctantly, that the
  author's gratitude is indeed mixed.

:-)

At any rate use of the CM fonts is a bit jarring.

Everyone who downloaded these sources for grepping has bought
a paper copy of the Lions book, right?

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 17:50       ` Bakul Shah
@ 2019-01-09 17:55         ` Warner Losh
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From: Warner Losh @ 2019-01-09 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bakul Shah; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 10:50 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:20:28 -0500 Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some
> of
> > the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does
> > seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
> > when the original was in roff.
>
> From the preface:
>   The co-operation of the ``nroff'' program
>   must also be mentioned. Without it,
>   these notes could never have been produced in this form. However it has
>   yielded some of its more enigmatic
>   secrets so reluctantly, that the
>   author's gratitude is indeed mixed.
>
> :-)
>
> At any rate use of the CM fonts is a bit jarring.
>
> Everyone who downloaded these sources for grepping has bought
> a paper copy of the Lions book, right?
>

Yea. But the github version doesn't have the 'appendix' that the Amazon
version has with the listing with the line numbers as corresponding to the
book... :(

Warner

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not  Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah
  2019-01-09 16:09   ` Warner Losh
@ 2019-01-09 22:24   ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-01-09 23:09   ` Cág
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019, Bakul Shah wrote:

>> I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move)
>> but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
>
> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book

Wow - many thanks!  The most photocopied book in the world, as I recall...

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 16:50       ` Warner Losh
@ 2019-01-09 22:53         ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-01-09 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

Silly idea: is there any way that the original books (red and orange) can 
be legally reprinted somehow?  Surely the original nroff sources must be 
somewhere...  Yeah, I know about the Copyright Act, but permission from 
his estate?

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Lions book (not  Origin of the name 'strategy'
  2019-01-09 15:12 ` [TUHS] Lions book (not " Bakul Shah
  2019-01-09 16:09   ` Warner Losh
  2019-01-09 22:24   ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2019-01-09 23:09   ` Cág
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Cág @ 2019-01-09 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

Bakul Shah wrote:
>> I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house 
>> move)
>> but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
> https://github.com/kanner/lions-book

Something to be printed and read once again.
I remember I had a couple of handmade copies of bwk's C tutorial from 
'74,
printed from the converted to LaTeX documents...

--
caóc


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