From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: nobozo@gmail.com (Jon Forrest) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 11:15:01 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] finding help in v7 in 1980 In-Reply-To: <0d7c61c7-7f5a-1854-64c3-737f4de1233c@gmail.com> References: <0d7c61c7-7f5a-1854-64c3-737f4de1233c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50decc96-abc1-60fa-4056-1a2c41a22179@gmail.com> On 11/10/2017 10:00 AM, Will Senn wrote: > > My question for you citizens of that long-ago era :), is this - what was > it like to sit down and learn unix V7 on a PDP? Not from a hardware or > ergonomics perspective, but from a human information processing > perspective. What resources did you consult in your early days and what > did the workflow look like in practical terms. I started in 1977 at UC Santa Barbara with Unix V6 that was running on a PDP11/45 just during the night. The rest of the time it ran RSTS/E. In fact, there was a sign that said "Oh say can you C by the dawn's early light" on the wall because the time you were able to learn C was in the early morning hours. There wasn't much instructional material available to learn Unix back then. I remember reading the man pages, and the few tutorials about the 'ed' editor and the shell. But, I mostly learned stuff by pestering the few people around who had somehow learned whatever it was I was trying to figure out. Or, we worked together to figure things out. I already mentioned the "Eunuch's User Group" meeting we had back then that brought together many of the few people in S. Cal who were using Unix back then. In spite of the fact that UCSB was one of the first nodes on the Arpanet, I don't recall hearing about any way to use it. By the time Unix v7 came out, I was able to recognize its various improvements, such as the 'make' command, the standard io library, and others. The K&R C book also helped a lot. But still, Unix was quite primitive and to this day I have the unconscious habit of running 'sync' at every stopping point because, due to the fragility of the file system back then, doing so was a good way to minimize possible file system damage when (not if) the system crashed. Jon Forrest