From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 39f04587 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 20:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E094393D07; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:20:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E460593D85; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:20:25 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=mhorton-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@mhorton-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="YyX0JZRw"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 64CC693D85; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:20:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-f179.google.com (mail-pg1-f179.google.com [209.85.215.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEA9C93D07 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:20:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f179.google.com with SMTP id k197so3732738pga.10 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:20:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mhorton-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=gaAudkryxgmHou6vDW1abukw39RvaF88wD2vftC0Few=; b=YyX0JZRwvnpKGuWszUdjSoawVwY0WlIa0zZBEBWs7V3Pv5tcmHfBrVxGLdFk5o1Qmb 2KggY7EQGgCeBmHIK8A6pRkfmhICwWxai6pegMsah+JU0SYPFA5lr5lhVMtJlkAHK1dF UP+qgCimjSNBru2IrKpXBFPLf/aTfNnDARNwQWHTPzgKBQgkA9RI4St6uUnawehVL5by WpqR4tVLavL6NGr/YoBWJYQaV4uYkT7GfD2ou9Jey1yniqz2jt98Wgxi0t/7Ncej1c2m nmDqlLnsxDkh+KXim4+cMv+wEO+47pTA0FgCJayj0pq2uypshLiffVWV/w3oAIYozcwo /FKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=gaAudkryxgmHou6vDW1abukw39RvaF88wD2vftC0Few=; b=HvAhN8lfDYhUJ/4XeeKPYVJ/kxXVsBKLuPi3FZUGuisj7TpSKNTN2kAxtnZyCRdMi8 KN3cjVNq6zLbF+V956ocw5KQEVwn7ketAR5L4KPSHtHbKDHwwY9LtMjlj/5h/WguKI4p 3Q04JLOcJ53AaoMmwzVIXfJMO3SS7gH2cbYNw+R6SZGE44ijrvXDD8QMzb491vxzZO46 9Lnp54jafzcgLa3Mb6NqJJzRSUisbwIrspXkwadlIKO2dJGvPHPEcAtzPTbcEDaqTPVy GL+xvbZireQk2hCg4cpqOHxYG5XEKP/a4+Bz08cGGGIR/lq2RYmJut7jacyKaPpqpN1b PAtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWvzQxWQUVUDjS6uFlVoaTvWPRqvW5ZmJYzBLtqQgKbAtME9OEh weiHT3LEH7QHl/Wy6kumGev0OGgbnEo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzH+WgfQXDeOaiunpcQh7bD2hYT4igZX/WD7xZ21GPiN2yDBnuOi1W2kJmXPRxc6XLmKwUr1g== X-Received: by 2002:a62:ab0d:: with SMTP id p13mr338913pff.135.1578601222099; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (ip72-197-247-231.sd.sd.cox.net. [72.197.247.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a19sm4228788pju.11.2020.01.09.12.20.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:20:21 -0800 (PST) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20200109012830.GC16808@mcvoy.com> <20200109020720.GG16808@mcvoy.com> <202001090423.0094NooZ379407@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Mary Ann Horton Message-ID: <52523c5b-ef07-65c8-86d9-2af6b6af20e4@mhorton.net> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:20:20 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B220AD441A9C9224F78F0A8F" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B220AD441A9C9224F78F0A8F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, I totally agree. NIH was rampant at Bell Labs in the 1980s. Management pushed us to use the internal tools rather than external tools we liked better. 3B vs Sun comes to mind. Datakit vs TCP/IP.     Mary Ann On 1/9/20 7:54 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > Frankly, other than NIH, I'm not sure why the folks at AT&T decided to > create pg a few years later since more was already in the wild, but at > least it was a different program (Mary Ann's story of vi /vs/. se if > probably in the same vein). --------------B220AD441A9C9224F78F0A8F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yes, I totally agree. NIH was rampant at Bell Labs in the 1980s. Management pushed us to use the internal tools rather than external tools we liked better. 3B vs Sun comes to mind. Datakit vs TCP/IP.

    Mary Ann

On 1/9/20 7:54 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
Frankly, other than NIH, I'm not sure why the folks at AT&T decided to create pg a few years later since more was already in the wild, but at least it was a different program (Mary Ann's story of vi vs. se if probably in the same vein). 
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