From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10BA287CD for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 02:33:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50C742870; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:33:26 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1709775206; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=S55y1l2yP9RAs+S05tUa7gmOFueqZurN2lRWM4gtxQI=; b=aXpG55gj47UAXxO9C5MOc4Zf41bpIh+tjrQXT/y4rGZvAPSwJx4qVBSR7s2q10EFlsDgQp Fop9CyiDIxpRPsUrgyc4igkQRVSjPA8+ZFjUIpXLLX5NI3qIL41YlSSOIbWMyVoyFpPp2f +PuCI9Mops+pXS2LBODdcEejWHCR53o= Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C8784285F for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:33:22 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1709775200; x=1710034400; bh=S55y1l2yP9RAs+S05tUa7gmOFueqZurN2lRWM4gtxQI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=A4Wy55A7avxDnxSdoIszno/sx7s0cOLv2xqjKMah5082f61AzFhwA/VpHJT6ulmK1 GwHyLoKt3Xdhw7gvlFYknbeBzn+sI/TaBBvfnzH7KUOdvPywJ9in3csmjYdZVvkjOr UohYBmWAA2bI1uIhcP2g01aCwLE9uzxbXw+sUn0R/2yimnDGfpqQeR/ltzJtZwAtyj Mi6sWVF0GeKA4bOAkHikkfCIXg+NMKOMITJoAiM5jE+o+UA7sNtS/r4wgtVc6veAup jzpSjm36UzSgTQdFgj9amwcoDhRv/1NyViIykMIX9leQYWZsUQkVucBRGzp94WCvHH KmKFZix+bvwWQ== Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2024 01:33:14 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: <52jXU50hSP6ccfPx2gI1k1Ju04FsT3pickaDTKJ-5z2HjDERY5d3Yh-qGt0Q9Vhh0Id12f59JeIkMF7PscJrDFQkRXOgfwZog-p7xP5O3Rg=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5C658CA4-7949-4A6F-9FFC-335E207BBB27@coraid.com> <4pgV5_iD_8o-bsF8_GfxuR5jG49CxGl-FALoO7a5G5k0Xwtaq39zkATBU8O-mIORXpt4U_kI_pLokc5f-qrQo2GP6JdI3N2Df_b8UUqhl9k=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: KVHVPSFJZRV6MZ75UFNENK3A5SNUPKIM X-Message-ID-Hash: KVHVPSFJZRV6MZ75UFNENK3A5SNUPKIM X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Honor declined List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco On Wednesday, March 6th, 2024 at 3:55 PM, Ken Thompson w= rote: > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 1:45=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS = wrote: >=20 > > On Wednesday, March 6th, 2024 at 11:53 AM, Douglas McIlroy wrote: > >=20 > > > After Multics, I ran interference to keep our once-burned higher mana= gement from frowning too much on further operating-system research. > > > > > > Doug > >=20 > > This alone is an all-too-valuable skill that contributes to the cultura= l success of countless projects. Great ideas can too often die on the vine = when the upper echelons have quite different opinions of where time and eff= ort should be placed, and I am glad that in my own career I likewise work w= ith understanding immediate supervisors and business analysts that go to ba= t for our needs and concerns. The importance of a supportive workplace cult= ure in which work is genuinely valued and defended cannot be understated. > >=20 > > - Matt G. > > unix was written in c, c was written in b, b was written in tmg,and doug = wrote tmg. it is all his fault. >=20 >=20 Ken, your modesty is showing :) I feel the same way about big things I'm working on in my day job. No matt= er how much folks try to laud me as our architect, nothing I did would exis= t without what my supervisor years and years ago handed me to start with be= fore he moved on to greener pastures. Invention will always be a group eff= ort, I'm just so glad this particular group effort (re: UNIX) has and conti= nues to have the impact that it does. A former manager (and respected colleague) would often say "I'm rubber, you= 're glue, what you bounce off me sticks to you." and it took me a little bi= t to appreciate what I thought he meant, but even longer to realize that sa= ying encompassed the good as well. - Matt G. P.S. Hey Dave, I Bcc'd you, discussions with folks here often remind me of = your good advice and management. Hope you're well, would love to hear from= you if you see this!