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([2600:8800:7c80:1584:4006:aeea:55b7:c4b3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x189sm24954631qkc.54.2020.07.07.16.42.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Adam Thornton In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 16:42:40 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <545C8523-3D56-4B6F-8C9D-85DAEBC19B45@gmail.com> References: <1594149663.18455.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> To: Rob Pike X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Subject: Re: [TUHS] v7 uucp debugging help requested X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Jul 7, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Rob Pike wrote: >=20 > The thing about ed that is missed by johnny-come-latelys who mock it = for its lowness is that it was so much higher than most, if not all the = commercially available text editors of its time. The gold standard was = perhaps Son of Stopgap, whose very name tells you the state of things. >=20 > I remember spending a couple of days baking inside a radio telescope = control cabin implementing a miniature version of ed in forth just so I = work more effectively on the task to come. As the person who kicked off this last round of editor wars by saying I = wanted =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D on my v7 system to make it into a daily = driver: sure, ed=E2=80=99s not terrible. I can, and have, used it, = although in most places where I *would* use it, I also have sed = available, and using sed and then comparing the output and the input is = just as fast for me and carries less risk of hosing my input file. As line editors go it=E2=80=99s just fine and indeed rather easier than = TECO or EDLIN, which are the other two I=E2=80=99ve used from time to = time. Oh. And CMS EDIT which it is about on a par with. But I still find it much less pleasant to use than a moderately-OK = screen editor, which =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D certainly is. Largely that=E2=80= =99s because I don=E2=80=99t think before I type anymore, and I hit keys = fast and sometimes inaccurately, because the last 35 years have taught = me that I can always go back and fix it up. Now that I have working editing-for-the-sloppy and a way that I can = reliably transfer files to and from v7, really all I need to do is mess = with the terminal driver so that ^? isn=E2=80=99t = immediately-cancel-line, because that too is a finger habit too hard for = me to break. Adam=