[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Cory Smelosky]

Evening all,

Am I correct in my guess that 4.4BSD was built cross on an HP300? I have 
never found a binary dist of anything other than HP300 4.4...and my 
attempts to build 4.4 on ULTRIX/SunOS have so far not succeeded...it had 
to have been built SOMEHOW.

I picked up an HP300 to help me get somewhere...but it seems to only have 
a 68010. :(

I either need to find a definitive 68020-minimum one on ebay...someone 
with one available...or some tips of actually cross-building 4.4 for MIPS 
or SPARCv7 (I have physical hardware for either)

I am very determined to run pure 4.4 on something bigger than a PIC32. ;)

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[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Jochen Kunz]

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Am 21.12.14 um 07:01 schrieb Cory Smelosky:
> Am I correct in my guess that 4.4BSD was built cross on an HP300?
Don't know, but...

> I have never found a binary dist of anything other than HP300 4.4...
I searched for 4.4/SPARC some 12 years back. IIRC on this very mailing
list and elsewhere. I didn't find it. Even Kirk McKusick got slightly
involved but nothing surfaced.

> and my attempts to build 4.4 on ULTRIX/SunOS have so far not succeeded
Have you tried NetBSD 1.1? (The first NetBSD release to support PMAX.)

> I picked up an HP300 to help me get somewhere...but it seems to only
> have a 68010. :(
Note: You can use a HP400 also. I have a 433t running 4.4BSD. I used
a netbooted NetBSD to get it installed.

I'd love to get a copy of 4.4BSD/SPARC or PMAX.
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tschüß,
       Jochen

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Cory Smelosky]

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> On Dec 21, 2014, at 03:58, Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote:
> 
>> Am 21.12.14 um 07:01 schrieb Cory Smelosky:
>> Am I correct in my guess that 4.4BSD was built cross on an HP300?
> Don't know, but...
> 
>> I have never found a binary dist of anything other than HP300 4.4...
> I searched for 4.4/SPARC some 12 years back. IIRC on this very mailing
> list and elsewhere. I didn't find it. Even Kirk McKusick got slightly
> involved but nothing surfaced.

Hmmmmm...

> 
>> and my attempts to build 4.4 on ULTRIX/SunOS have so far not succeeded
> Have you tried NetBSD 1.1? (The first NetBSD release to support PMAX.)

Wouldn't boot on my 3MIN :( Dies shortly after jumping to entry point.

> 
>> I picked up an HP300 to help me get somewhere...but it seems to only
>> have a 68010. :(
> Note: You can use a HP400 also. I have a 433t running 4.4BSD. I used
> a netbooted NetBSD to get it installed.

Is an HP400 easier to find? ;)

I would love to have access to that box...I THINKS I can cross for SPARC.

> 
> I'd love to get a copy of 4.4BSD/SPARC or PMAX.

That's why I have one of each...to hopefully build it.

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[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Jochen Kunz]

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Am 21.12.14 um 10:19 schrieb Cory Smelosky:
>> Have you tried NetBSD 1.1? (The first NetBSD release to support PMAX.)
> Wouldn't boot on my 3MIN :( Dies shortly after jumping to entry point.
Bummer.

>> > Note: You can use a HP400 also. I have a 433t running 4.4BSD. I used
>> > a netbooted NetBSD to get it installed.
> Is an HP400 easier to find? ;)
At least I came across more 400 then 300.

> I would love to have access to that box...I THINKS I can cross for SPARC.
Unfortunately I don't have the facilities to manage that at the moment.
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       Jochen

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Cory Smelosky]

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> On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:19, Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 21.12.14 um 10:19 schrieb Cory Smelosky:
>>> Have you tried NetBSD 1.1? (The first NetBSD release to support PMAX.)
>> Wouldn't boot on my 3MIN :( Dies shortly after jumping to entry point.
> Bummer.

Yeah :(

> 
>>>> Note: You can use a HP400 also. I have a 433t running 4.4BSD. I used
>>>> a netbooted NetBSD to get it installed.
>> Is an HP400 easier to find? ;)
> At least I came across more 400 then 300.

Hmmmm.

> 
>> I would love to have access to that box...I THINKS I can cross for SPARC.
> Unfortunately I don't have the facilities to manage that at the moment.

I could always buy your 400. ;)

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[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Jochen Kunz]

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Am 21.12.14 um 19:50 schrieb Cory Smelosky:
>>> I would love to have access to that box...I THINKS I can cross for SPARC.
>> > Unfortunately I don't have the facilities to manage that at the moment.
> I could always buy your 400. ;)
1. You will have to pry this machine out of my cold, dead fingers. ;-)
2. Shipping this tank would be prohibitively expensive.
   (I live in Germany.)
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       Jochen

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Al Kossow]

On 12/20/14 10:01 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
> Evening all,
>
> Am I correct in my guess that 4.4BSD was built cross on an HP300? I have never found a binary dist of anything other than HP300 4.4...and my attempts to build 4.4 on ULTRIX/SunOS have so far not
> succeeded...it had to have been built SOMEHOW.
>

Wasn't all the 9000/300 work done at the University of Utah?
They had a pile of machines there running it, and it was self-hosting there.

Or was that just 4.3?

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Cory Smelosky]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014, Al Kossow wrote:

>
> Wasn't all the 9000/300 work done at the University of Utah?
> They had a pile of machines there running it, and it was self-hosting there.
>

I don't know about all...but some certainly was.

> Or was that just 4.3?

Bostic's nameserver seems to have run 4.4 at one point...at least one of 
them anyway.

Some method for compiling it for non-HP300 had to exist somehow.

>
>
>

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[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Al Kossow]

On 12/31/14 3:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:

> Bostic's nameserver seems to have run 4.4 at one point...at least one of them anyway.
>

Sorry, misunderstood the question. By the time of 4.4, weren't the distributions coming out
of Mt Xinu and BSDI? I was just looking at press releases from around that time trying to
track down BSD with NFS for VAX for someone and that seemed to be what was going on.

The 4.4 release from Utah I was thinking of was
http://www.flux.utah.edu/~mike/hpbsd/hpbsd.html

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Cory Smelosky]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014, Al Kossow wrote:

>
> Sorry, misunderstood the question. By the time of 4.4, weren't the 
> distributions coming out
> of Mt Xinu and BSDI? I was just looking at press releases from around that 
> time trying to
> track down BSD with NFS for VAX for someone and that seemed to be what was 
> going on.
>

4.4's documentation from the CSRG hinted at the existence of SPARC and 
MIPS disributions...and mentions them being different from the Utah stuff.

NFS for BSD on VAX would be 4.3BSD-UWisc+NFS or later.

> The 4.4 release from Utah I was thinking of was
> http://www.flux.utah.edu/~mike/hpbsd/hpbsd.html
>

HPBSD 1.x was 4.3, 2.x was part 4.4 part 4.3, IIRC...according to CSRG 
installation guides.

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[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Jeremy C. Reed]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:

> NFS for BSD on VAX would be 4.3BSD-UWisc+NFS or later.

The UWisc+NFS is Sun's NFS (with Sun's permission via academic use 
license).  The HPBSD also included the Sun NFS implementation via 
Lebeck's Univ. of Wisconsin 4.3BSD fork.

NFS for BSD was a clean implementation done by Rick Macklem which was 
contributed to CSRG.

(I have several pages about this in my book in progress.)

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[arnold]

Al  Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:

> Sorry, misunderstood the question. By the time of 4.4, weren't the
> distributions coming out of Mt Xinu and BSDI? I was just looking at
> press releases from around that time trying to track down BSD with NFS
> for VAX for someone and that seemed to be what was going on.

Mt. Xinu did 4.3 + Sun NFS for the vax. It required owning Unix
licenses before being able to get it from them. I ran it on vaxen
at Emory University in the mid-80s. Initialy it was 4.2 + NFS and
then a few months after 4.3 came out it was 4.3 + NFS. We saw a huge
performance gain in moving to 4.3; I'm convinced we'd have had to
buy another vax if we hadn't switched to 4.3.

That was a good company to work with. Nice folks, very responsive,
and they knew what they were doing.

UCB did the 4.4 distributions - both 4.4 and 4.4-lite. The latter
had all the AT&T code removed but wasn't fully bootable.

BSDI came along later and did Unix for the '386; their ads started
the whole lawsuit stuff. :-(  (Let's not rehash that, please!)

Arnold

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Al Kossow]

On 12/31/14 7:37 PM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:

> BSDI came along later and did Unix for the '386; their ads started
> the whole lawsuit stuff. :-(  (Let's not rehash that, please!)
>

well, here is a history

http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/Finland_period/att_lawsuit_as_a_launcher_for_linux.shtml

with this in it:

Trent[ Hein] was a student at the University of Colorado, where he was a co-author of both the UNIX and the Linux system administration handbooks. He worked on the 4.4BSD port to the MIPS architecture.

[TUHS] HP300/4.4BSD stuff

[Cory Smelosky]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014, Al Kossow wrote:

> On 12/31/14 7:37 PM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
>
>> BSDI came along later and did Unix for the '386; their ads started
>> the whole lawsuit stuff. :-(  (Let's not rehash that, please!)
>> 
>
> well, here is a history
>
> http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/Finland_period/att_lawsuit_as_a_launcher_for_linux.shtml
>
> with this in it:
>
> Trent[ Hein] was a student at the University of Colorado, where he was a 
> co-author of both the UNIX and the Linux system administration handbooks. He 
> worked on the 4.4BSD port to the MIPS architecture.
>

I have the first edition of the UNIX book series!

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