From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14473 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2021 18:08:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Aug 2021 18:08:48 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 578549D578; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 04:08:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1739D52D; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 04:08:28 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="KfgdrrdA"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 47CE49D52D; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 04:08:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-f182.google.com (mail-pf1-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C64FE9D52B for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 04:08:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-f182.google.com with SMTP id 2so12823555pfo.8 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:08:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=54bVZekhL4GKgNAmzuX+TkzeKZyThWfLqXp15lf16oU=; b=KfgdrrdAqJftU7L7Zq7hmzkC11W5A2coql9788v4BU2Q3+4L8Gc+2oJQJ4Cwg9cCeY WQfssM0ITCodizzNFp2I99YswmRAEX2XvIA1QwZjzejM5dD4Rf3yyth96gSYQqT0KObt VLai7MAzR9OXFZG5BlL2sdZUy+yjTMHrZ/qqXxcnj8M0cgf+EkCTdFaKRa1VAo87lHrL beFT4M9DDlrEaGz/yVWd0FVvMrtZvnlCBEjw0cgvV9BrhX9fitxUMdcfj1rvIueYJ9J3 ILDH/pNlhQYJgW+vOKRfNKXYez7bq+a9jkw+Do/awcAq1TiQoTuzNvYPK/Gie99xQjmH /uew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=54bVZekhL4GKgNAmzuX+TkzeKZyThWfLqXp15lf16oU=; b=Sd02d02i4z5qphtDDGhWPrQa1wvoNFg3pzGs74BLYAKquQS2sKIDqCLgijGE1IYW9m Yt641GVFkNiOXYhFBOO467GvEQYcaKDUTKczDnfrw3OjnKhJmcZVygiydBUxXQA3HBry fKtg49jQICHsy8IFSU0abZ2ZoMBKXIgIuYkU3aiTID8RLnov1EVpHT92a6q0ntcjNTmi EHJVRuayFnseC0OsnhhM1atw7RGdolnQa4UtPQ2bQt7kA0VuxTgM/UVxSNipNtunb1mM P0GApIry+e2s4tHzNfVIqYTL7pGf3zu1AvXDID5Ri1UGwcTtzGzGFLQSPqv2pHQFtfXc Dr5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530huU/pM+9s1F5Qq4B9GzQ4vmRy91Rj3+rmGF6tg2LE32oL6eo3 QRJknMEIc43rhmun5iT8gjY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwHebPDVrEftgZOHbAswR9g/xKWhLfMagXLtvrZeU8XX3QcAYVJFu53H7dzAL54wQdubLQp8A== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8617:0:b0:3f2:3cb2:33bc with SMTP id p23-20020aa78617000000b003f23cb233bcmr22676202pfn.36.1630346903936; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2600:8800:7c80:700:78c0:cd48:9bf4:de48]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s15sm157826pjk.21.2021.08.30.11.08.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Adam Thornton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:08:22 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <561678CC-6C29-43E7-AA37-1F3FAE5AE94A@gmail.com> References: <20210830130603.A7D4C640CC6@lignose.oclsc.org> To: Theodore Ts'o X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Is it time to resurrect the original dsw (delete with switches)? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Aug 30, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > In addition, the answer for hobbyists > and academics might be quite different from a large company making > lots of money and more likely to attract the attention of the > leadership and lawyers at Oracle. I mean, Oracle=E2=80=99s always been super well-behaved and not = lawsuit-happy _at all_! You=E2=80=99re fine, at least until Larry needs = a slightly larger yacht or volcano lair or whatever it is he=E2=80=99s = into these days. Adam=