From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27385 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2021 22:33:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Apr 2021 22:33:12 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 91FE39CAC8; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:33:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC97C9C883; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:32:18 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=pobox.com header.i=@pobox.com header.b="PZtGP9Hl"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AE98C9C883; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:32:13 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 333 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 08:32:12 AEST Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (pb-sasl21.pobox.com [173.228.157.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8E539C83D for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:32:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-sasl21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4177D8B8C9; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 18:26:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=sasl; bh= WGwLanCf7Ii76OJcjV5mnSMVY4I=; b=PZtGP9HlcdTM61ToluV8i6QkrSV8qs18 6MtxnuRewE0jdiskZzBO04gtVVx1TnmOfNB1Aw5U8kxnDl1cFZitzuWRIVBmAuRa mQzOdlKRdJ11lyYUiO/yAyTAk2g6S1hpOHs/LVRfPbXZU24lW5q80s4uGZ//tgj6 cWBtunPNzx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; q=dns; s= sasl; b=nolV8IzrgXgTRiezviJ08Gbk//fHIYMPIob0pOqZz8QV1/sMezrHEcJN 3shl66Dm0DWVrwzAoh3JlDJLfKc63D+VgGWr2RaKtEFGTond/WKLJ5Cm0TUdKqyg 8WUAxaASzlxHFZOYJLL1jVZLEBpzGMRXNBwH4PimjK0q4cCny80= Received: from pb-sasl21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-sasl21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5CE8B8C7; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 18:26:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Received: from [192.168.86.129] (unknown [203.132.93.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-sasl21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4B368B8C5; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 18:26:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) From: David Arnold In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:26:30 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <56470B32-2F79-4ADC-AC9C-D59F85009309@pobox.com> References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <20210404052939.xivuinlcugqb5zde@localhost.localdomain> To: Theodore Ts'o X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: FB3B4EC6-965D-11EB-B39F-A1A6A3223AC7-29049682!pb-sasl21.pobox.com Subject: Re: [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On 6 Apr 2021, at 00:05, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >=20 > A lot of the conflicts were over the writing style. There many ways > you can write papers. For example:=20 >=20 > (a) academic papers suitable for tenure-track publications > (b) technical industry paper meant for other industry practitioners > (c) white papers written by and for sales/marketing folks One reason you don=E2=80=99t get more of (b) at USENIX these days is = that the value to writer is basically nil. Compare writing a USENIX conference paper with crafting a decent blog = post: the latter gets immediate distribution, a flurry of comments and = feedback from peers, and can often kick off new software projects, = define new industry-wide nomenclature, to say nothing of the career = benefits of building your professional =E2=80=9Cbrand=E2=80=9D. All the = things a paper *used* to do, when people attended conferences and read = papers as a means of information exchange. =20 The pre-publication peer review process, and the annual (or longer) = cadence means it=E2=80=99s just not the right venue for a fast-moving = field, for the majority of topics. Sometimes, it makes sense to turn a = successful blog post into a paper, to get some formal recognition, or to = explore an idea more rigorously, but most of the time, things have moved = on by then, and for an industrial worker (vs. academic), there=E2=80=99s = very little incentive: you=E2=80=99re much better off getting another = high-profile blog post than working through and writing up a paper. It=E2=80=99d be great to see USENIX rejoin this conversation as an = essential forum, but it=E2=80=99s hard to see how: disintermediation has = done its thing. d