From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4103 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2023 23:37:58 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Dec 2023 23:37:58 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC1E43E8E; Mon, 1 Jan 2024 09:37:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84BE743E89 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2024 09:37:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC08540002 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2023 23:37:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bitsavers.org; s=gm1; t=1704065866; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=GTw0OlnB7/L7HtP8+9yKGzlDFjbjP3TOa9x7uOdZ7h0=; b=jOpDP9/jA3kQ9gk9C6MWJ8yD+IWWh1RZnuwsbX8rJ0Y394idAKWRKT+lwgETw7RTGVbYi1 tnQR3MFIGoyvzry8e9bA1g5AW//Uv5mYnfgFy7crJIUirtf8tKrtw3FYUKRfdeW+1zymlT 9WzPxJU8usueWA1UqzOK2X4HdRZXkfbTh5rdYw8IbFYeWTP1perkbWSIBNcFlIDa0oJrYm hfP+/ZUq4UiutB2kj35YfWcMIzaASk8u7eDfsv05ZBt8Kcp5SLFBZg66/Kw33cd6OFj9mQ pETjexNw0cSgr7MaIeh/EuPneHYqBJRQVID4+W8Ju2kxB2kClM9AfXy6k/k0Gw== To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <6470c59f-a1e5-418f-803d-76bcd761f530@tnetconsulting.net> <20231231224649.h45pogxycgkgs673@illithid> <20231231230615.GE19322@mcvoy.com> From: Al Kossow Message-ID: <57c26b28-af60-689b-c315-828d6561d178@bitsavers.org> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:37:43 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20231231230615.GE19322@mcvoy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GND-Sasl: aek@bitsavers.org Message-ID-Hash: 5NIAG3O6OBTDD3VKENATA6SEA3NRRXF7 X-Message-ID-Hash: 5NIAG3O6OBTDD3VKENATA6SEA3NRRXF7 X-MailFrom: aek@bitsavers.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Question about BSD disklabel history List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 12/31/23 3:06 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: > OpenFirmware is Mitch Bradley's baby. I believe it ran on 68k Suns, > there was some sort of boot prom there. I mostly used it on SPARC. It was developed for SPARC and never ran on Sun-3's. The point of it was to be processor independent. I was involved in bringing it up on Power Macs. It was championed by Ron Hochsprung there, who is also a FORTH fan. In theory, you should have been able to use PCI expansion cards at boot time across vendors by using it, but in practice that didn't happen because very few vendors ever bothered to support anything in their BIOS ROMs other than the PC. And when Apple went with x86 they used the PC's way of the world, like everyone else.