From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 554e6d3e for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 84DABA17D7; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:54:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865B29EE03; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:54:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D00FA9EE03; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:53:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail1.g22.pair.com (mail1.g22.pair.com [66.39.65.155]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5CCB9EDF1 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:53:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail1.g22.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g22.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536044840D5; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 19:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.0.150] (unknown [88.98.95.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g22.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30E45449730; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 19:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Tim Bradshaw X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15F79) In-Reply-To: <201806202011.w5KKBOT5040344@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:53:52 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <580E4D90-FB9F-4C7B-8904-7994C49806E7@tfeb.org> References: <201806202011.w5KKBOT5040344@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> To: Doug McIlroy Subject: Re: [TUHS] core X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Making tube (valve) machines reliable was something originally sorted out by= Tommy Flowers, who understood, and convinced people with some difficulty I t= hink, that you could make a machine with one or two thousand valves (1,600 f= or Mk 1, 2,400 for Mk 2) reliable enough to use, and then produced ten or el= even Colossi from 1943 on which were used to great effect in. So by the tim= e of Whirlwind it was presumably well-understood that this was possible. (This is not meant to detract from what Whirlwind did in any way.) > On 20 Jun 2018, at 21:11, Doug McIlroy wrote: >=20 > If you extrapolate the rate of replacement of vacuum tubes in a 5-tube > radio to a 5000-tube computer (say nothing of the 50,000-tube machines > for which Whirlwind served as a prototype), computing looks like a > crap shoot. In fact, thanks to the maintenance protocol, Whirlwind > computed reliably--a sine qua non for the nascent industry.