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From: schily@schily.net (Joerg Schilling)
Subject: [TUHS] Mach for i386 / Mt Xinu or other
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:48:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58ac6f43.Seb4wAXiRwCTvCR3%schily@schily.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <094c861a-e7ef-3e79-9d70-ada7e579d127@aueb.gr>

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Diomidis Spinellis <dds at aueb.gr> wrote:

> > Writing CDs is a highly complex task. No known kernel is able to do that
> > internally.
> >
> > So the only useful method is to use SCSI pass through.
>
> This is an interesting point.  However, controlling the C/A/T 
> phototypesetter 20 years before writable CD-ROM appeared, was also a 
> very complex task, yet it was accomplished through a simple device file. 

Well, it used a serial or parallel connection on top of a standard driver.
I cannot speak for a real C/A/T device, but I know the Berthold 
phototypesetters that use a serial line with a nearly identical interface
and C/A/T probably was a clone of a Berthold phototypesetter.

In the C/A/T case, troff has the knowledge about how to talk to the 
phototypesetter and uses a "pass through" UNIX driver to transfer the data.

For the CD writers, please keep in mind that during the time when everybody 
used them, there was a constant development on the SCSI command interface for 
the devices and many of the drives had massive firmware bugs. 

cdrecord does always include support for all recent drives and implements 
workarounds for the firmware bugs. Do not expect that people in the UNIX kernel 
area would ever react in time and do not expect that potential abstraction 
layers from the CD drives would be compatible amongst different UNIX versions.

Have a look at a similar problem from 1969:

	There was only one IMP and a set of IMP<->computer adaptors for every
	possible "computer" system.

The IMP<->computer adaptor is similar to the lowest layer of my libscg.

Above that layer in libscg, everything is portable and unified.

Jörg

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-21 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-16  7:28 [TUHS] Mushi and Bagu Rudi Blom
2017-02-16  9:36 ` jsteve
2017-02-16 10:42   ` Nick Downing
2017-02-16 13:49     ` Rudi Blom
2017-02-17 11:30       ` [TUHS] Mach for i386 / Mt Xinu or other jsteve
2017-02-17 14:22         ` Clem Cole
2017-02-17 16:13           ` Chet Ramey
2017-02-17 14:29         ` Clem Cole
2017-02-17 17:23           ` Warner Losh
2017-02-18 22:25           ` Nemo
2017-02-19  6:20             ` jsteve
2017-02-19  7:01               ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-19 13:46                 ` Jason Stevens
2017-02-19 15:44                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-20 18:14                     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-20 22:24                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-20 23:16                         ` Steve Johnson
2017-02-20 23:18                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-20 23:25                             ` Steve Johnson
2017-02-20 23:20                           ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-21  0:12                             ` Wesley Parish
2017-02-21  1:05                               ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-21 10:30                         ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 13:47                           ` Random832
2017-02-21 15:18                             ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 15:54                               ` Diomidis Spinellis
2017-02-21 16:38                                 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-02-21 16:48                                 ` Joerg Schilling [this message]
2017-02-21 16:32                               ` Random832
2017-02-21 16:55                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 17:10                                   ` Dan Cross
2017-02-21 19:44                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-21 21:17                                       ` Dan Cross
2017-02-21 21:37                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22  8:57                             ` jsteve
2017-02-22  9:56                               ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-22 10:26                                 ` jsteve
2017-02-22 10:29                               ` Joerg Schilling
2017-02-19 21:19               ` Clem Cole
2017-02-20  0:29                 ` Nick Downing
2017-02-20  1:58                   ` Clem Cole
2017-02-20  1:29                 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-02-19 22:59               ` Derek Fawcus
2017-02-17 15:47 Atindra Chaturvedi
2017-02-17 16:55 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-17 20:04 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-19  5:48 Jason Stevens
2017-02-20  6:38 Rudi Blom
2017-02-21  4:16 Doug McIlroy
2017-02-21 12:02 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-21 12:24 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-02-21 12:57   ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-21 15:02 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22  1:50   ` Dan Cross
2017-02-22  2:25     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-22  3:11     ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22  4:07       ` Dan Cross
2017-02-22  4:17         ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-23 15:31           ` Nemo
2017-02-23 16:00             ` Clem Cole
2017-02-23 16:50               ` Nemo
2017-02-23 22:02               ` Dave Horsfall
2017-02-24  1:30                 ` Clem Cole
2017-02-24 20:54                   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-02-24  1:01               ` Jason Stevens
2017-02-22 10:16       ` jsteve
2017-02-21 15:15 ` Chet Ramey
2017-02-21 16:47 ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 18:58   ` Clem Cole
2017-02-21 19:21     ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 20:17       ` Clem Cole
2017-02-21 20:28       ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-21 20:32         ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 22:58           ` Wesley Parish
2017-02-22  1:19             ` Clem Cole
2017-02-22  9:00             ` jsteve
2017-02-22  0:52   ` Andy Kosela
2017-02-22  1:04     ` ron minnich
2017-02-22  1:33       ` jason-tuhs
2017-02-22  3:18       ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22  3:45         ` ron minnich
2017-02-22  4:06           ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-22  4:11             ` Larry McVoy
2017-02-21 16:25 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-21 21:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-02-21 23:10 ` Nick Downing
2017-02-21 23:14 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-02-22  1:22 Rudi Blom
2017-02-22  3:08 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-02-22  3:51 Rudi Blom
2017-02-26 18:33 Norman Wilson
2017-02-28 20:26 ` Dave Horsfall

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