From: "Charles H Sauer (he/him)" <sauer@technologists.com>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Managers/architects (was: AIX moved into maintainance mode)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:09:09 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <59029f83-d02c-e3a8-a82e-2eb14363a03e@technologists.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALQ0xCAw187PFq-RA0TqFkOKaZ9G5DUmnA=edB=DtFdUq8d5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Not trying to keep AIX in the discussion, but the 3 in 1 list should
include Glenn Henry. Glenn was primarily a manager when I worked for
him, but was an architect before then and is still a programmer -- see
the summary at
http://web.archive.org/web/20200105071617/http://www.ece.utexas.edu/events/centaur-technologys-deep-learning-coprocessor-technology
and/or https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102738382
Charlie
On 1/19/2023 12:00 PM, Marc Donner wrote:
> I'd certainly list Bob Sproull for all three, from personal observation.
>
> My guess is that Ivan Sutherland probably qualified back when he still
> programmed ... I mean, after all, he invented the linked list in order
> to implement his thesis program (Sketchpad) in about 1960.
> =====
> nygeek.net <http://nygeek.net>
> mindthegapdialogs.com/home <https://www.mindthegapdialogs.com/home>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:50 PM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
> <mailto:jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>> wrote:
>
> > From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com <mailto:lm@mcvoy.com>>
>
> > At least 30 years ago I said "He's good programmer, a good
> architect,
> > and a good manager. I've never seen that in one person before".
>
> Corby? Although he was just down the hall from me, I never saw him
> operating
> in any of those roles; maybe some of the old-time Unix people have some
> insight. Saltzer is about off-scale in #2; probably good as a manager
> (although I had a monumental blow-up with him in the hallway on the 5th
> floor, but I was pretty close to unmanageable when I was young ;-);
> he took
> over Athena when it was stumbling, and got it going. Dave Clark is
> high on
> all three - he could manage me! :-)
>
> Bob Taylor? PARC did some _incredibly_ important stuff in his time.
> Yes, I
> know a lot of the credit goes to those under him (Butler Lampson,
> Alan Kay -
> not sure if he was in Taylor's group, Boggs, Metcalfe, etc) but he
> had to
> manage them all. Not sure what his technical role was, though.
>
> Vint Cerf? Again, A1*** as a manager, but had some failings as a
> architect. I
> think the biggest share of the blame for the decision to remove the
> variable
> size addresses from TCP/IP3, and replace them with 32-bit addresses in
> TCP/IPv4, goes to him. (Alas, I was down the hall, not in the room,
> that day;
> I wasn't allowed in until the _next_ meeting. I like to think that
> if I'd been
> there, I could/would have pointed out the 'obvious' superior
> alternative -
> 'only length 4 must be supported at this time'.)
>
> Noel
>
> PS: ISTR that about a month ago someone was asking for management papers
> from that era (but I was too busy to reply); two good ones are:
>
> - F. J. Corbat??, C. T. Clingen, "A Managerial View of the
> Multics System Development"
> https://multicians.org/managerial.html
> <https://multicians.org/managerial.html>
> - F. J. Corbat??, C. T. Clingen, and J. H. Saltzer, "Multics --
> the first seven years"
> https://multicians.org/f7y.html <https://multicians.org/f7y.html>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-19 18:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-19 17:50 [TUHS] " Noel Chiappa
2023-01-19 18:00 ` [TUHS] " Marc Donner
2023-01-19 18:09 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him) [this message]
2023-01-20 3:47 ` John Cowan
2023-01-20 16:54 ` [TUHS] FYI: Apple Lisa [source Pascal code] goes “open source” Rich Morin
2023-01-20 17:07 ` [TUHS] " Ron Natalie
2023-01-19 21:12 ` [TUHS] Re: Managers/architects (was: AIX moved into maintainance mode) Lawrence Stewart
2023-01-19 21:30 Douglas McIlroy
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