From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 99ef2afa for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 16:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C765CA21FF; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 02:30:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A221A1FD7; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 02:29:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 488F2A1FB3; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:41:54 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 405 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at minnie.tuhs.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:41:40 AEST Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9547A1FB0 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:41:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B912222F; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:34:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= johnlabovitz.com; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to; s=fm1; bh=XO692/Ehlnv3j0adK9xkLLo9wdnTryOHmmTnGi NIg+4=; b=S8MsfKIYBnuHx4tPvpSTT1lI6c7S580RMAzhCgTchVouCBmnS/XyL+ 11DZ946Ivqt1MmGmaJzQtOSxcYuOAyAxelzXRiItq7chOBUftbWg3Mb/XPsxdOqc 9JxBOsoyWMyRpkFPPete4ZkVap3L3ZANmazB8FOskFAycBJeU8OKZKw3mES1ev/6 GtoKh1xELYIHK8gzKxU+Sh933RC0nuEU7MrM1irXYvgKpPY20X8Q2FAFfblQZKbr 1JDPWtLHYu+8vSy29CLIQr2y0g+dm6DLXS3K1UNxCYqVvLbV5/OvnjnmJAbim/nC WOm6etlAex2Bl5bwKbl84J2/eXZp6z7w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=XO692/Ehlnv3j0adK9xkLLo9wdnTryOHmmTnGiNIg +4=; b=A9qUV3Phz1qmtspu5xIIV/1/hWDIZHYKD5jGWcXEAtZKDvBfRb/O4dPWZ Uh2yeyzpqzwebMC2f7uFbk5FfoIjck9d/s9lZkqxTUVxC892wawVFge3dXRx3pQB CU80UXVMrkjK0j0wFlq/5s9OkZbQXxnUrW2mRgbdxp/W3QHue9yDVnMv4qIHER9a Izo7OlgQrm2RLlm0O4Dc93cmc9VxwY7DKgGLw8M+QtfJVTIwgMu6PrhlmFHNhJmy 6d0BGlmm5B6Vym6JpXF3e+QZRXCWEf32AvoYjkXnpgOmxswCqkEa7+PtSdNNFvBr nx/D6PcU7G+ypseBlg3eWwI838MkA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.254.136] (184-13-109-99.dr01.clbg.wv.frontiernet.net [184.13.109.99]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 83539102EB; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.1 \(3445.100.43\)) From: John Labovitz In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:34:50 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5B2BFC4F-6FAC-4104-9BCC-2D3C5C0B0970@johnlabovitz.com> References: <20181029021023.GA27974@eureka.lemis.com> <20181029071652.zzauekw6ikpqd4ur@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> To: Clem Cole X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.43) Subject: Re: [TUHS] First ARPAnet transmission X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > I >>think<< it is more likely 06:30 UTC, as IIRC Daylight Saving Time = finished mid-month so I think it would have been UTC+8:00 [not +7:00 = which it would be now]. That said, Nixon [...shutter...] was in office = and he put the US went on DST in the winter at some point due to the oil = crisis (but I thought that was a year or so later). I remember it all = happening at the time - but I can do not put precise dates on any of it. According to tzdata... % zdump -v America/Los_Angeles | grep 1969 America/Los_Angeles Sun Apr 27 09:59:59 1969 UTC =3D Sun Apr 27 = 01:59:59 1969 PST isdst=3D0 America/Los_Angeles Sun Apr 27 10:00:00 1969 UTC =3D Sun Apr 27 = 03:00:00 1969 PDT isdst=3D1 America/Los_Angeles Sun Oct 26 08:59:59 1969 UTC =3D Sun Oct 26 = 01:59:59 1969 PDT isdst=3D1 America/Los_Angeles Sun Oct 26 09:00:00 1969 UTC =3D Sun Oct 26 = 01:00:00 1969 PST isdst=3D0 ...it appears that DST was *not* in effect on October 30, 1969. A caveat: tzdata=E2=80=99s docs warn that dates before 1970 may not be = accurate. But because I=E2=80=99m fascinated by the cultural history = embedded within that database, I downloaded the latest tzdata files to = check. The relevant rules are in the =E2=80=98northamerica=E2=80=99 = file: Rule CA 1948 only - Mar 14 2:01 1:00 = D Rule CA 1949 only - Jan 1 2:00 0 = S Rule CA 1950 1966 - Apr lastSun 1:00 1:00 = D Rule CA 1950 1961 - Sep lastSun 2:00 0 = S Rule CA 1962 1966 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 = S Zone America/Los_Angeles -7:52:58 - LMT 1883 Nov 18 12:07:02 -8:00 US P%sT 1946 -8:00 CA P%sT 1967 -8:00 US P%sT I wouldn=E2=80=99t say that=E2=80=99s definitive, but usually tzdata is = a pretty good source. Best, =E2=80=94John=