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X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Gregg Levine = wrote: > Chris I have one of the later ones, a 133 in fact, and I've been > trying to find what I could run on it. Never mind a case for it, plus > power supply and stuff.... Can you share, off list of course, where > you'd gotten it? Oh, I don=E2=80=99t mind sharing on-list! I just bought the board=E2=80=94= and a system controller, and some additional RAM boards, as well as the = VME chassis with built-in PSU=E2=80=94on eBay. Lots of sellers are = willing to make pretty good deals. There=E2=80=99s barely anything I = paid over US$100 for, and I=E2=80=99ve only been collecting the VME = stuff for a couple years. In theory you should be able to use any VME or VXI chassis for most VME = hardware. What=E2=80=99s hard to find are manuals for anything not on = Bitsavers[1], or software to run on it. At least NetBSD has been ported = to the common 68030+ and PowerPC VME boards, and an old version of = OpenBSD runs on the common 88K ones. Alas the 133 doesn=E2=80=99t have = an MMU so it=E2=80=99s going to be a bit more restricted. One of the reasons to run MINIX 1.5 on my MVME121 is that it should be = nice and fast on a 10MHz system with 8.5MB of RAM (including 4KB of = cache), and as a V7 UNIX clone with an ANSI C compiler it=E2=80=99ll be = easy to write for and port to. It=E2=80=99ll probably also be nicer than = running one of the first few versions of Motorola System V/68 on it too, = since I think that=E2=80=99s SVR1=E2=80=A6 Your 133 should also be straightforward to port MINIX to as well, since = all the hardware=E2=80=99s simple, standard, and documented in the = manual (plus data books). My plan was to start with MINIX 1.5 on Atari ST under Hatari, then just = write some device drivers and a boot loader to replace the ST-specific = ones. =E2=80=94 Chris [1] Or Artisan Technology Group=E2=80=99s web site; they sell a ton of = used VME hardware, and seem to collect what manuals and data sheets they = can and provide them as PDF.