From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f532dfde for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3325F9B9CD; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:08:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE719491B; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:08:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5174B9491B; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:08:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from post.cogs.com (post.cogs.com [72.43.6.86]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B41E794803 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:08:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by post.cogs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B6A1022ABAA7; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:08:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cogs.com Received: from post.cogs.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (post.cogs.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id fNpSPZ13zYwd; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rrcs-108-176-86-106.nys.biz.rr.com (rrcs-108-176-86-106.nys.biz.rr.com [108.176.86.106]) by post.cogs.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C81B71022ABA96; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5BBEAE16-9B06-4336-BEAC-C144B0BF11C7@cogs.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DEBE3335-A5BA-4FF8-B09A-C955A0067E62" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3564\)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:08:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: Clem Cole References: <8235a090-c48a-4587-8974-23305233bc33@PU1APC01FT026.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> <3CFC8159-08DD-4647-8CEF-FE8D196AB3C9@ccc.com> <610F6FCB-F24D-4788-953A-83E0E6456622@ccc.com> <017d16e0-3a7d-b3e7-29b8-8a454d78463f@e-bbes.com> <201907170810.x6H8AELx031974@freefriends.org> <46FC947C-F150-4835-A858-3EE05A394A6A@alchemistowl.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3564) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old 386 Unix Versions, was: Re: PCC for the i386 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Ben Greenfield via TUHS Reply-To: Ben Greenfield Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_DEBE3335-A5BA-4FF8-B09A-C955A0067E62 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes, I should have been more careful with my phrasing. To be more clear the innovations developed by Heinz Nixdorf in the early = days of the company did not contribute to Unix but was it also concept = and worthy of study. After Heinz died the company lost direction and was purchased by = Siemens. > On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Clem Cole wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 8:39 AM Ben Greenfield via TUHS = > wrote: >=20 > I know that it didn=E2=80=99t run Unix but I believe Nixdorf Computer = was the large computer company at that time. > Both Nixdorf and Siemens were heavy into UNIX. Both were founders of = OSF. Nixdorf OEM'ed a couple of machines from US firms, as well as = making their own. Siemens and Philips both trended to make their own = systems. IIRC Philips was mostly in the AT&T Camp at the time. = Olivetti was definitely since one of the original 386 systems AT&T tried = to sell was their PC (in fact was one of systems ISC used for the = original 386 UNIX port - supplied by AT&T). --Apple-Mail=_DEBE3335-A5BA-4FF8-B09A-C955A0067E62 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Yes, = I should have been more careful with my phrasing.

To be more clear the innovations = developed by Heinz Nixdorf in the early days of the company did not = contribute to Unix but was it also concept and worthy of = study.

After Heinz = died the company lost direction and was purchased by = Siemens.




On Jul = 17, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 8:39 AM Ben = Greenfield via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
I know that it didn=E2=80=99t = run Unix but I believe Nixdorf Computer was the large computer company = at that time.
Both Nixdorf and = Siemens were heavy into UNIX.  Both were founders of OSF.   = Nixdorf OEM'ed a couple of machines from US firms, as well as making = their own.   Siemens and Philips both trended to make their own = systems.   IIRC Philips was mostly in the AT&T Camp at the = time.  Olivetti was definitely since one of the original 386 = systems AT&T tried to sell was their PC (in fact was one of systems = ISC used for the original 386 UNIX port - supplied by = AT&T).

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