From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15586249DA for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2024 16:04:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABAC42807; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 01:04:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from server907.appriver.com (server907a.appriver.com [204.232.250.39]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 219B042802 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 01:03:55 +1000 (AEST) X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-Note-AR-ScanTimeLocal: 03/06/2024 10:03:53 AM X-Note: SecureTide Build: 2/14/2024 2:12:58 PM UTC (2.41.3.0) X-Note: Filtered by 10.246.0.224 X-Note-AR-Scan: None - PIPE Received: by server907.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 6.2.15) with PIPE id 390346167; Wed, 06 Mar 2024 10:03:53 -0500 Received: from [10.246.0.39] (HELO smtp.us.exg7.exghost.com) by server907.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.15) with ESMTPS id 390346163; Wed, 06 Mar 2024 10:03:50 -0500 Received: from smtpclient.apple (108.202.98.130) by E19DN02C-S1E7.exg7.exghost.local (192.168.244.113) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.2.1544.4; Wed, 6 Mar 2024 10:03:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Brantley Coile In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 10:03:49 -0500 Message-ID: <5C658CA4-7949-4A6F-9FFC-335E207BBB27@coraid.com> References: To: Douglas McIlroy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-ClientProxiedBy: E16DN68A-S1E7.exg7.exghost.local (192.168.245.166) To E19DN02C-S1E7.exg7.exghost.local (192.168.244.113) X-Rerouted-By-Exchange: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-Note-AR-ScanTimeLocal: 03/06/2024 10:03:50 AM X-Note: SecureTide Build: 2/14/2024 2:12:58 PM UTC (2.41.3.0) X-Note: Filtered by 10.246.0.224 X-Policy: coraid.com X-Primary: coraid.com@coraid.com X-Note-Sender: brantley@coraid.com X-Note-Envelope-Recip: FAILURE,DELAY, X-Note-Envelope-Recip: FAILURE,DELAY, X-Virus-Scan: V- X-Note-SnifferID: 0 X-GBUdb-Analysis: Unknown X-Signature-Violations: 0-0-0-3023-c X-Note-419: 0 ms. Fail:0 Chk:1432 of 1432 total X-Note: VSCH-CT/SI: 0-1432/SG:1 3/6/2024 10:03:22 AM X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: X-Country-Path: PRIVATE->LOCAL X-Note-Sending-IP: 10.246.0.39 X-Note-Reverse-DNS: X-Note-Return-Path: brantley@coraid.com X-Note: User Rule Hits: X-Note: Global Rule Hits: G386 G388 G389 G390 G407 G408 G409 G777 G1009 X-Note: Encrypt Rule Hits: X-Note: Mail Class: VALID Message-ID-Hash: 2LNWQX5YJSYU2UVA72JMLMZ2V2KNTVQ5 X-Message-ID-Hash: 2LNWQX5YJSYU2UVA72JMLMZ2V2KNTVQ5 X-MailFrom: brantley@coraid.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Honor declined List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: It all depends on how you define "started."=20 Your contributions to it was done while it was still in the maternity = ward of the hospital in which it was birthed. I would argue, at length = if need be, but I suspect it's not needed, that you indeed "started to = develop it." Did only Ken started it. Who was in the room when Ken = outlined the file system? You're finger prints are all over everything = from very, very early.=20 =46rom a quarter the way into the 21st century, you certainly appear to = have started to develop it. Just my humble opinion. my disclaimer is that I've always held your = contributions in very high regard. Brantley > On Mar 6, 2024, at 9:55 AM, Douglas McIlroy = wrote: >=20 > > When Rudd, Doug, Ken, Dennis, et al start to develop UNIX >=20 > Although I jumped into Unix as soon as it was born, I was not one of = those who "start[ed] to develop it". >=20 > Doug