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From: norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] ksh88 source code?
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:40:56 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5D8BA976A496FD8E3AEFB6C9153250F0.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> (raw)

Thomas Paulsen:

  bash is clearly more advanced. ksh is retro computing.

====

Shell wars are, in the end, no more interesting than editor wars.

I use bash on Linux systems because it's the least-poorly
supported of the Bourne-family shells, besides which bash
is there by default.  Ksh isn't.

I use ksh on OpenBSD systems because it's the least-poorly
supported of the Bourne-family shells, besides which kh
is there by default.  Bash isn't.

I don't actually care for most of the extra crap in either
of those shells.  I don't want my shell to do line editing
or auto-completion, and I find the csh-derived history
mechanisms more annoying than useful so I turn them off
too.  To my mind, the Research 10/e sh had it about right,
including the simple way functions were exported and the
whatis built-in that told you whether something was a
variable or a shell function or an external executable,
and printed the first two in forms easily edited on the
screen and re-used.

Terminal programs that don't let you easily edit input
or output from the screen and re-send it, and programs
that abet them by spouting gratuitous ANSI control
sequences: now THAT's what I call retro-computing.

Probably further discussion of any of this belongs in
COFF.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

             reply	other threads:[~2021-12-22 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-22 14:40 Norman Wilson [this message]
2021-12-23 17:23 ` John Cowan
2021-12-23 20:08   ` silas poulson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-23 19:10 Norman Wilson
2020-12-22 22:43 Warren Toomey
2020-12-22 23:01 ` Clem Cole
2020-12-23  1:29   ` John P. Linderman
2020-12-23 22:57     ` Warren Toomey
2020-12-23  3:30 ` Rico Pajarola
2020-12-23  9:03   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-12-23  9:14     ` Rico Pajarola
2020-12-23  5:46 ` Scot Jenkins via TUHS
2020-12-23  7:19   ` Efton Collins
2021-12-21 13:55     ` Cyrille Lefevre via TUHS
2021-12-21 16:21       ` Larry McVoy
2021-12-21 16:27         ` Warner Losh
2021-12-21 17:15           ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-12-21 17:31             ` Boyd Lynn Gerber
2021-12-21 19:09               ` Richard Salz
2021-12-22  6:23             ` jason-tuhs
2021-12-24 22:51               ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-12-24 23:15                 ` Richard Salz
2021-12-24 23:34                 ` Michael Huff
2021-12-21 16:42         ` John Cowan
2021-12-21 16:47           ` Chet Ramey
2021-12-21 17:09             ` John Cowan
2021-12-22 11:11           ` Cyrille Lefevre via TUHS
2021-12-21 22:15         ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-12-22  7:44           ` arnold
2021-12-22 14:35           ` Cyrille Lefevre via TUHS
2021-12-22 14:36             ` Chet Ramey
2020-12-23  6:56 ` arnold

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