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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n29-20020a9d711d000000b0060603221250sm3023241otj.32.2022.05.02.09.19.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 02 May 2022 09:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: <9EB92333-42A7-401E-A273-D35A681B02A5@iitbombay.org> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 09:19:34 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5DD10240-A5B0-45E9-A7D2-B74E9C81BF2B@iitbombay.org> References: <9EB92333-42A7-401E-A273-D35A681B02A5@iitbombay.org> To: Clem Cole X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On May 2, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Bakul Shah wrote: >=20 > On May 2, 2022, at 8:43 AM, Clem Cole wrote: >>=20 >> Thoth Thucks.... [Kelly Booth gave me one of these tee's years go]. >>=20 >> Mike Malcolm did not try to clone UNIX - for one thing, it was in B = [which Steve Johnson has spread the gospel of same on his sabbatical). = It was not until the Thoth rewrite that became QNX that they tried to = ensure all of the Unix behaviors and APIs. Mike was certainly had an = influence by UNIX and IIRC his thesis and the Thoth papers = reference/compare it. >=20 > IIRC Gordon Bell and Dan Dodge worked with Thoth as students but QNX = is not derived from it. I ran across QNX at a contract job in 1986 or = so[1]. Back then it fit in 8KB. IIRC the original few versions were = mostly written in assembly language or had substantial portions in = assembly while most of Thoth was written in C[2]. The original QNX was = basically a message passing microkernel. Unix APIs came in much later. >=20 > [1] I had to debug some obscure problem where the QNX was running on a = text to speech board plugged in a PC and was connected to an IBM 370 = system. The TTS system was used to allow a salesperson to place an order = or something. It failed randomly. In the end it turned out to be an = "undocumented" h/w bug in 286 (Intel knew about it but they denied when = we asked!). I caught it in the act using a logic analyzer! Anyway, I had = to get pretty familiar with QNX then. >=20 > [2] In 1981 AMD tried to get into computer business via AMC (American = Micro Computers). They used Thoth! I interviewed there but in the end = joined Fortune Systems. Correction: Thoth was written in "Zed", similar to C.=20