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[89.76.152.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g11-v6sm947143ljk.45.2018.09.06.13.02.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-Sender: andy.kosela@gmail.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 22:02:06 +0200 From: Andy Kosela To: rminnich@gmail.com Message-ID: <5b9187be.JqdXbAJqb0gb8I/y%akosela@andykosela.com> References: <20180831215636.-eCEx%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180903180401.u4MVs%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180903181133.GB81368@wopr> <20180903185616.ZnkRk%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] cat -v and other complaints X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: akosela@andykosela.com Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" ron minnich wrote: > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:34 AM Andy Kosela wrote: > > > When Plan 9 was created in the mid-late 80s exactly those ideas > > circulated. Nothing comes from nothing, everything has its historical > > context. In the late 80s in order to "innovate" it was natural to think > > that abandoning text terminals is a "progress". > > > > > I don't get the sense, from reading this, that you have ever used Plan 9 > for serious work, or indeed done more than see or run a demo. I'm keeping > this short because this is TUHS, not T9HS. But your characterization of > Plan 9 is just wrong. I understand that we are drifting a bit off-topic here, but for the sake of all reading it, it probably would be relevant to at least offer some more explanation of your point. Saying 'you are wrong' is not very informative. I still think that you just misinterpret my words though. One still cannot ignore the fact that Unix and Plan 9 offer two completely different approaches to displaying text. I think it also would not be very productive nor it was intended to use Plan 9 without mouse and rio(1). --Andy