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[89.76.152.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c14-v6sm975843lfi.23.2018.09.06.14.55.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-Sender: andy.kosela@gmail.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 23:55:52 +0200 From: Andy Kosela To: rminnich@gmail.com Message-ID: <5b91a268.lXqMJkXVvoGUv0XA%akosela@andykosela.com> References: <20180831215636.-eCEx%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180903180401.u4MVs%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180903181133.GB81368@wopr> <20180903185616.ZnkRk%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <5b9187be.JqdXbAJqb0gb8I/y%akosela@andykosela.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] cat -v and other complaints X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: akosela@andykosela.com Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" ron minnich wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:02 PM Andy Kosela wrote: > > > One still cannot ignore the fact that Unix and Plan 9 offer two > > completely different approaches to displaying text. I think it also > > would not be very productive nor it was intended to use Plan 9 without > > mouse and rio(1). > > > > I spent four years using Plan 9 on the Blue Gene supercomputer (I led the > team that did the port). I also spent years using it on embedded systems > with no windowing system at all. > > What you're saying does not accord with anything I experienced with Plan 9 > over a dozen year span. I also don't believe your claims are driven by > experience using Plan 9; am I missing something? What is the basis of your > statement? Just from personal experience running Plan 9. Well, you can't tell me this system was designed with the idea of running it using text terminal and no mouse. There is also no cursor addressing, no curses. Like I written before it was born in the different era -- they tried to not build it on the idea of character based TTY, but rather incorporate graphical element into it. If it is possible to be fully productive in Plan 9 using just VGA text mode (720x400) and not any of the bitmap modes, with Unix like cursor addressing and with no rio(1) and no mouse then it's something I never really explored. --Andy