From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E05322F8A for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:09:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5CB43BE8; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 15:09:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E044A43BE7 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 15:09:14 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=makerlisp.com; s=s1-ionos; t=1718860153; x=1719464953; i=luther.johnson@makerlisp.com; bh=Ylyapf91fD8emZ0K6FmJ19+MJBvf/YE+Qi+gYK4KYEw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id: mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=KogmWeU7AuSB3FYY6JeUG0dWGTxO66xx0JusEJnhrcuX5vvQzV6tp7A/4en5zeTk KU1hE4tmIkR43gPjlf2LgBWUP8SQvUkB2Fp7rHo66a+5q3OsrG2kOTt25egilDP9n eUWiv3kbIEE+wWHNY98og2ulIylEh082itWCZpcYpEWpyYar8UwMwB764+3xuZFly qgq1yBI4GsHQpDx9VkusvGfnKFlhB9UQScnHYskADjhSPWfD5nLQTI1Ebl9rKcjQq y598ACUuDjDeVYJZ0b5318YA32zcayseW74XDEOwkQGdnrV8kWfnUNwpvEXoqjt6P ukSc1cwC4hRqH5jNiw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 55c96926-9e95-11ee-ae09-1f7a4046a0f6 Received: from makerlispvps ([74.208.29.250]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LsjTb-1sUlxw28Ft-011Foh for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:09:13 +0200 Received: from [192.168.234.136] (unknown [172.56.209.233]) by makerlispvps (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FD2F8C24D for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 05:09:12 +0000 (UTC) To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <87iky84c23.fsf@gmail.com> <20240617012531.GE12821@mcvoy.com> <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> <202406200501.45K5118a028500@sdf.org> From: Luther Johnson Message-ID: <5d991bcb-0bac-50f1-ba8e-4c9c561499c9@makerlisp.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 22:09:11 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202406200501.45K5118a028500@sdf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1aZfZVeIo8sLbYcwWJ/CUssLrgB7assdh2bO1Xq25SiFuFuBPGl j54x3uyribqxs72Z3l2tFwPD3C8ZzINZU2p0Agfj6pn4KtTrdLWF/GUWT3xM3S9r8S8BDz3 ey2SoC1Oig8rdx1txgnimID3Ouf3+ANGdrBOHK69oU9nd9ckpn51e1Touka/fvF2FYCuBHJ QU/d/8iTVxVzA0jL+5BMg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Fpm+ZwUKG4A=;rdo0eg23ZQc3F+JCY11Sy4jUrVJ bNX++LDylJL41H4aWwRUTIwxAVUd5xOKY2i9GRXwKz+/Tk6v+fzKX4SRsYrg3YXqX9n8zW+1W lstPHuMciy+JAavrLkABI1oOmBINk8Fz5fvaICF3pN2epolA8Gjw9WSZWS34u2CX4cRcGrWdW eb8gzqz67sLUFgpy72KakVvEwnjwXezIC3EKnHJH9lwTlJSuQC3snaXqDUbA9qCgSPs+Ivn1P 8kLJQ5Up0ZRcI+MulOl/yFnIMvJ+zDfyLt5G9KlafIKGY3tDTgSVWohE3EFIPbJGiwOktfjJS d1I7WQR6l1BTJnYi7h/rF1yZMUiUfC/aQXdLWgFQB+10m8zAUm2VntyvBexuxIslwYU6pQPe9 MNXAKTm1E3FiTmcuO3MeSDYOgbQD+eoSYf5xpwAyfXtTuvbhbwATWNsJuO5rPff7Qs1UWBTP/ 2t6/jI7uG+yL2ygJIkFAhju7eUtkFrdjCR7V4fgkK7KVpH0yhenqDJdTAY0GwXfFOUF/vrobF 25pVHWHTLx2heiEAhtxzdPnc1syfSEpdTouynklOKSIZuvpm2v4DZtGb2Dzleys8GfYWuaLNi z5hoQEPu2SFe7c//090gu4lHvHZYXgurFoKbQSSgPUNrMWa3+1udpXTO3Wa8QSzXNa3FHbJPK a25qpSlefJW5Sdoa9GY99h+0m+K/8gHVMMCySg24zXH8dOzLpP1hU520FYUJvcypGYakEaJzr 8ImkD6cJuzuCg9LGaIDg1bTyRFb7KC6ZTeb36oS7KRuq9eHQ3n+6js= Message-ID-Hash: UNLGY2V6VIKKIIYWVI2YDWG4PBQERPI7 X-Message-ID-Hash: UNLGY2V6VIKKIIYWVI2YDWG4PBQERPI7 X-MailFrom: luther.johnson@makerlisp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I just avoid tools that build with CMake altogether, I look for alternative tools. The tool has already told me, what I can expect from a continued relationship, by its use of CMake ... On 06/19/2024 10:01 PM, Scot Jenkins via TUHS wrote: > "Greg A. Woods" wrote: > >> I will not ever allow cmake to run, or even exist, on the machines I >> control... > I'm not a fan of cmake either. > > How do you deal with software that only builds with cmake (or meson, > scons, ... whatever the developer decided to use as the build tool)? > What alternatives exist short of reimplementing the build process in > a standard makefile by hand, which is obviously very time consuming, > error prone, and will probably break the next time you want to update > a given package? > > If there is some great alternative, I would like to know about it. > > scot >