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From: Heinz Lycklama <heinz@osta.com>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origin of the name POSIX
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:05:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5df45640-aa46-4003-a989-ac462e1a6499@osta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2PcQt0yajejd-BC2DcpdcpZQMidKEqF2G7mfm__6Bkv7A@mail.gmail.com>

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We had just a little more than 60 people involved in
the /usr/group effort, with David Buck, Don Kretsch
and Eric Petersen as co-editors. The IEEE POSIX
POSIX standards effort had hundreds of participants.
But we did have all of the major companies involved
in the UNIX market participating.

Heinz

On 6/27/2024 7:34 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:59 AM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>     A way to verify this would be to look for attendee lists from early
>     POSIX meetings, though I'm having trouble locating them. 
>
>
> I was the original editor (more in a minute), and I believe I have an 
> early draft on my Masscomp machine, which is currently not powered up.
> I'll try to add it to my to-do list to bring this online. The first 
> section has an attendee list.
>
> I also have (in a box in my attic) some of the original handouts, 
> including minutes.  That is already on my to-do list.
>
>     My initialsearch turned up this document, a 1995 retrospective
>     from Hal
>     Jespersen, where he credits Stallman for coining the name "POSIX":
>     https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/210308.210313.
>
>  I just read it. Much is correct, but that document has numerous 
> errors, including the transition from /usr/group to IEEE (which Heinz 
> and I were involved in - Hal was not). I'll send a number of 
> updates/corrections later.For instance, the C standard was not related 
> to the UNIX standard and was not originally championed by /usr/group - 
> but rather the PC-based folks.
>
> Remember, this document came about before the age of laptops. We made 
> changes and suggestions during the meetings. The /usr/group document 
> was edited offlineafter the meetings (Heinz may remember who did that 
> work).  We started the same process by the time we transitioned to 
> IEEE.  Since the meetings were originally held currently with a 
> /usr/group // UNIForum or USENIX event, they were always near one of 
> the Masscomp field offices.  I told Jim that I could (and did) arrange 
> for a loaner Masscomp system with a number of Wyse-60 terminals to be 
> there for our meeting.
>
> By the way, Jim was worried that all documents were following the IEEE 
> rules of being numbered and correctly indexed. But by editing at the 
> meeting and starting with the /usr/group document, we did turn it into 
> an IEEE-style draft in under two years.  As a result, I ended up as 
> the defacto editor for the first few drafts.  As I said, I believe I 
> have an early copy (in troff, of course) on my Masscomp box.
>
> Clem
> ᐧ

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-27 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-26 17:56 [TUHS] ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-26 18:32 ` [TUHS] " Ori Idan
2024-06-26 18:42   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-06-26 20:07   ` Aron Insinga
2024-06-26 23:28   ` Peter Yardley
2024-06-26 18:35 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-06-26 18:43   ` James Johnston
2024-06-26 18:52     ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-26 19:34       ` Heinz Lycklama
2024-06-26 20:01         ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-27  2:36           ` [TUHS] Re: arithmetic, " John Levine
2024-06-27  3:41             ` Charles H. Sauer
2024-06-26 20:29         ` [TUHS] " Marc Rochkind
2024-06-26 21:17           ` Rich Salz
2024-06-26 21:20           ` Alan Coopersmith via TUHS
2024-06-26 21:28             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-26 21:49               ` Rich Salz
2024-06-26 21:53               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-27  0:44                 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27  1:11                   ` [TUHS] Origin of the name POSIX (was: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-06-27  2:12                     ` [TUHS] " Ron Natalie
2024-06-27  2:37                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-27 14:19                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
     [not found]                     ` <CAC20D2M+75ohjTPcTBmBkejeaWjQQjWCkf=4ZYrP4Bk0MCamKA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-06-27  3:02                       ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27  3:03                         ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27  3:08                         ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27  8:20                     ` Eric E. Bowles via TUHS
2024-06-27 11:56                       ` John S Quarterman
     [not found]                         ` <CAEoi9W4ZSVCVsJJ8pdBuBobeeXOkwsey0kM6DWBnPiuSd_7TQA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                           ` <CANCZdfoghuf4n=HDgRJXDJ5VqZ=rCtmq_0WadaR6kj8QmcoVQQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-06-27 13:42                             ` John S Quarterman
2024-06-27 11:58                     ` Dan Cross
2024-06-27 14:34                       ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27 15:05                         ` Heinz Lycklama [this message]
2024-06-27 13:57                   ` [TUHS] Re: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-27 14:22                   ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-27 14:29                     ` Andy Kosela
2024-06-27 14:59                       ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27  4:12             ` Wesley Parish
2024-06-27  4:52             ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-26 19:47     ` Aron Insinga
2024-06-27  5:02       ` Nevin Liber
2024-06-26 20:36   ` Stuff Received
2024-06-26 22:33     ` James Johnston
2024-06-26 20:32 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-26 22:04   ` Heinz Lycklama

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