From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19692 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2021 18:30:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Feb 2021 18:30:14 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 833C59503E; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:30:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F8094F19; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:29:56 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="jpSJ/i6+"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5A0E794F19; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:29:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f169.google.com (mail-qk1-f169.google.com [209.85.222.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C431294F18 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:29:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id b14so5403362qkk.0 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:29:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K7fq9LmJIN0hjm0rAc9RxtI1K6N7ltuVrxTqeBeyOKA=; b=jpSJ/i6+UTooObI/9AxzGmroIrgVf1WvdCEymlEAm0qpCZ32No2Gy00tHKM59e4pcY SWYrccqDT3gEJOvwcM2XRlfYQcBTold0C9Phz7sZGBWmC2Xn9z6Wsiyo9p4fTGtonBsw o4xYkTvOj9IozSh9zFpFVEGu/BjpugDBtagmeEriWstFgt0qcMNhcfvVIANlKDh/Qwy1 wAEDhnIs3wm1lcbaLXdID8S0F37yt8lfW+M4AaAZ5yhYox+KnCSQdBJButDSvkGr8ts5 jfRYo8fszRcZYdS/Kx/9gYsYEGBLOfKeyO5i8mHbQEFvV9bnLbfOTeHzSOlavlebtmWs WShg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K7fq9LmJIN0hjm0rAc9RxtI1K6N7ltuVrxTqeBeyOKA=; b=YfI94q/HxyBFpnzrWEJNbUQQRPQ9bxpsSIbnypQ7iMCXQaEya8nSnaW5S/U7iHjE5U 3SeSpQINcKcSPAqAHpWO/xCtuDtBnJqTYcnCx5dyfdekzzRdAMKolmHjoiAVztd5S0Dk zROyVt6kc/M/z+jYljbsgJMZTrwA1fpWG39FPe6aiJByT3wQtVVttux3gQ43fRzddZhq 719mnHMSELXlsRko/Kt5C1ka+NSv2GeA152PFZs/zc4f6c2PqN6Wh/uzCPWfX+wkZjNw InlYCrhU/0DsylXWxIBUskeyO+HmPdzcdfYxViYF5EArG27iF89VHIcDy3+SeDRHZHEX GSEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5330mDnr0Xn8rBh3sEh9viEVNqAahLueLYXZ/rsbWcF6H49z2NkT xQEgBZk2BRog49Hj+SvMg3PXfg7AzXnmEw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz0MhdgfcN0uL6GXRQVkWjm56FJ69Ibhj1C3QlanLQ/kFuyBb7iWPiGu495aVjlzqTx98V+RQ== X-Received: by 2002:ae9:f511:: with SMTP id o17mr22576265qkg.215.1612895392769; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from fifth.local (198.27.14-65.ip.mltn.standardbroadband.ca. [198.27.14.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u4sm19763389qkc.42.2021.02.09.10.29.51 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:29:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6022D49E.4000209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:29:50 -0500 From: Nemo Nusquam User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] Macs and future unix derivatives X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 08/02/2021 22:58, M Douglas McIlroy wrote: > % ls /usr/share/man/man2|wc > 495 495 7230 > % ls /bin|wc > 2809 2809 30468 Whoa! Is this Linux? On my Solaris 10 boxen, I find: [~]=> ls /bin |wc 1113 1113 10256 [~]=> ls /usr/share/man/man2|wc 219 219 2299 N. > How many of roughly 500 system calls (to say nothing of uncounted > ioctl's) do you think are necessary for writing those few crucial > capabilities that distinguish Linux from v7? There is > undeniably bloat, but only a sliver of it contributes to the > distinctive utility of today's systems. > > Or consider this. Unix grew by about 39 system calls in its first > decade, but an average of 40 > per decade ever since. Is this accelerated growth more symptomatic of > maturity or of cancer? > > Doug