From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20935 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2022 21:56:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Feb 2022 21:56:21 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 44C029D6DD; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:56:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974DF9BA66; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:56:00 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b="R9SwMqbH"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D9BB49BA66; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:55:57 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 306 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 07:55:57 AEST Received: from wforward1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wforward1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.30]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38CEF9B95E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:55:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailforward.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1247C1AC202D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 01 Feb 2022 16:50:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; bh=kCEbEKSCpEKT5bCWO9gCclFEcajlfDqdWTcwwLi/zQQ=; b=R9SwMqbH Yfv1SRMzNyHblYfWZQDfgrK6IT+KXUi5WtalVqJCLjOpq8mz9CvZEb3i59mdnOuH zwDyKTZPGA6Y43mmL8Bp/EpiTLZp8dz2W8+XzIsenNYLPAOJjvv9WHNoP80bYpWP CvbMpRr+oP7MYXYntTypZJnKdtlbSGlOBQtts4E/LRddmqoJabkr+hcDbwm3MYM6 yobRMquyhwSdNuxV08uln2DL837S/WC4pZH2EV2zHKIfpO1wztJnSpvm3D/yqyX8 u6wBMa3zeVbXkruL4JRWXZq+ZJgOml0hjTKin1zygi3BMmLEemBhv2/yYzoKo1Sd 8uiu2qcODNtEDQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddrgeefgdduheefucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqh hmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhnucfvrhgvvghsvgcuoehtrhgvvghsvgesrggtmhdr ohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdelhfefvefhgfejveevgffghfduteethefggf eugfekffeuuddtleehfedutdeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghm pehmrghilhhfrhhomhepthhrvggvshgvsegrtghmrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:50:50 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Win Treese In-Reply-To: <20220201181909.6224518C086@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:50:49 -0500 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 665445049.440426-87b29ba82f37204fc4323222b5003502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <65068AA0-BFEF-46B8-9068-2A24039371D3@acm.org> References: <20220201181909.6224518C086@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> To: The Unix Heritage Society X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Subject: Re: [TUHS] ratfor vibe X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Feb 1, 2022, at 1:19 PM, Noel Chiappa = wrote: >=20 >> From: Clem Cole >=20 >> So by the late 70s/early 80s, [except for MIT where LISP/Scheme = reigned] >=20 > Not quite. The picture is complicated, because outside the EECS = department, > they all did their own thing - e.g. in the mid-70's I took a = programming > intro couse in the Civil Engineering department which used Fortran. = But in > EECS, in the mid-70's, their intro programming course used assembler > (PDP-11), Algol, and LISP - very roughly, a third of the time in each. = Later > on, I think it used CLU (hey, that was MIT-grown :-). I think Scheme = was used > later. In both of these cases, I have no idea if it was _only_ = CLU/Scheme, or > if they did part of it in other languages. I took 6.001 (with Scheme) in the spring of 1983, which was using a = course handout version of what became Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Sussman and Abelson. My impression was that it had been around for a year before that, but not much more, and it was part of revamping the EECS core curriculum at the time. In at least the early 80s, CLU was used in 6.170, Software Engineering Laboratory, in which a big project was writing a compiler. And Fortran was still being taught for the other engineering = departments. In 1982(ish), those departments had the Joint Computing Facility for a = lot of their computing, of which the star then was a new VAX 11/782. - Win