From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22071 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2020 00:43:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Jun 2020 00:43:44 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 207429CB08; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 10:43:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EBE9CA34; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 10:43:23 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=iitbombay-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@iitbombay-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="XDaUmdbq"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EBD6F9CA34; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 10:43:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f169.google.com (mail-pl1-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 967CE9C96B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 10:43:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pl1-f169.google.com with SMTP id bg4so178162plb.3 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 17:43:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iitbombay-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :cc:to; bh=2uLb7NjNTdCiLSz+uQNj5twci4PTqvFXU774cnjqEQ4=; b=XDaUmdbqeJs+a3zS9H7TPoajRpAOirgAGbJ57FPxpQeQdKmoVoD5/SaWORZtWkrBk6 UEJrbVqS8tldT1HccUnDwVRc/JdY910dADovpB3d0TvUPIb2KpGuFVublTQsRAFdjI97 ZNSsj3tWvvlKGlhQgFyeP8eIfMK0DraEUqWAFfMep275KmO242Fj/VOZG9VJ9yA0lCzJ G7m+gdIKGMUa1IcUY+oAbv2pzf1phF3UnV4BTJiHcl1itLVmY+jJkMU8PVtRnma6l6bL cDWu67mBu54+lF51CDnhv0F6g6aAfAfovRlAfPcJ6btcAtF/N5wOAiuhnbEBDZVumv3A wTIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=2uLb7NjNTdCiLSz+uQNj5twci4PTqvFXU774cnjqEQ4=; b=dQ37b+LtWz5/A1T83ph0ZLaNQ3FAO7gc+0oDTsy7hlyp1Q0PGBWIjeqtU6qNx3K5gv yCj4Rr/O5MWtDaw+waFDebhVDQKj8TE2PKc+DT0kGhm6uAy9kZKUvtoW5VvHHxobuOLP 4HMcHrw6TivILuZpcgriZrSU8jZmS8e6YA+PoUEHH6rVeFPb6PUgPx3P0n0+fzcWaqe1 BuYTSEi+WoE5aVgdYMUjbg/SlNXCvuYbI56b+bvjs/6h2Ep3ymX4SuUEKBZsDi+HCHo0 S+Dr16c4wF5Z0WJRfq3fiQMKaDU70ciEcyfdj1udxjn9fzrcz2O/s5kuWilg8CL+8W5b meCA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532rsbBvizfO6QTh3/P4Y+3aEGHZCYdZwOBCSn/JqNR1J3SDaVXx jknDE8/4NYFsSqROIt2elHthG9JJbepBN2FR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyhPqGYv0x10yBitSN94o1QvoYRhHfd2Dqp7PO3MtlwbyfhesyQNpwtKu3MkHgtdc3SEdSpEA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7609:: with SMTP id k9mr28529342pll.55.1591145001220; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 17:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 107-215-223-226.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net (107-215-223-226.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [107.215.223.226]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p14sm219972pjf.32.2020.06.02.17.43.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Jun 2020 17:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bakul Shah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Message-Id: <655420D4-EB34-4B75-A6BA-A874113B3680@iitbombay.org> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 17:43:18 -0700 To: markus schnalke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Subject: Re: [TUHS] mh/hm, mmh (was: fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > Would you be so kind to explain a bit about the hm version of MH. Not sure what Clem meant but I used "hm" by Jim Guyton (@Rand) on my Fortune box until I retired it. It provided a 2D interface. Later I tried xmh but didn't like it. The early history of MH is covered in some detail in Willis Ware's "RAND and the Information Evolution" book from page 128 onward. hm & Guyton get a paragraph on page 136. https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/corporate_pubs/2008/RAND_CP537.pdf