From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:02:09 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] 8th Edition Research Unix on SIMH In-Reply-To: <20170329004914.D997818C083@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20170329004914.D997818C083@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <66d1ab6c-1396-fa83-cb9d-2d87ab463be3@tnetconsulting.net> On 03/28/2017 06:49 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > But if people just have to press a button (basically), they won't learn > anything. I guess I'm not understanding the point of the exercise? To say they > have V6 running? So what? All they did was press a button. If it's to > experience a retro-computing environment, well, a person who's never used one > of these older systems is going to be kind of lost - what are they going to > do, type 'ls -ls' and look at the output? Not very illuminating. (On V6, > without learning 'ed', they can't even type in a small C program, and compile > and run it.) Sorry, I don't mean to be cranky, but I'm not understanding the > point. Conceptually I agree. However, I've had to teach enough people to know that they need a way to boot strap themselves into an environment to start learning. Thus I find having a streamlined process available to them to be beneficial. Then once they have gotten a taste, presuming they like it, they can go back and attempt to do more complicated things. I do consider what (I believe) Warren put together for the UUCP project to be a very good start. Simple how to style directions that are easy to follow that yield a functional system. Conversely, take a look at what's involved in IPLing a minimal MVS 3.8j system in Hercules. (Ignoring the turn key packages.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3717 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: