From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27844 invoked from network); 1 May 2022 20:39:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 May 2022 20:39:35 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 022259D452; Mon, 2 May 2022 06:39:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03299D432; Mon, 2 May 2022 06:37:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 727479D432; Mon, 2 May 2022 06:37:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.kaybuena.com (rrcs-71-42-153-194.sw.biz.rr.com [71.42.153.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCF5B9D431 for ; Mon, 2 May 2022 06:37:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [192.168.147.6] (4dot2 [71.42.153.195]) by mail.kaybuena.com (8.17.1/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 241KbBn53838062; Sun, 1 May 2022 15:37:12 -0500 Message-ID: <66d4f8a7-d803-913d-f969-25b29652b23d@technologists.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 15:37:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.8.1 Content-Language: en-US To: Dan Stromberg References: <57977CE7-DDCC-4861-BBD2-843B9B9F51C2@ronnatalie.com> <2eafe1f9-bfe5-64b1-b85d-e89e88e897e8@technologists.com> From: "Charles H Sauer (he/him)" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (mail.kaybuena.com [71.42.153.194]); Sun, 01 May 2022 15:37:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Except to the extent discussed in my cited post, that seems overstated to me, untrue through AIX 3 on 6K and RT hardware, unlikely to be true post AIX 3. On 5/1/2022 2:49 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > I don't know where the fellow got his information, but I was told that > AIX started out as AT&T code, but went through not one but two rewrites. > > On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 11:55 AM Charles H Sauer (he/him) > > wrote: > > I don't recall that particular case, but AIX was definitely derived > from > AT&T code. See > https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-the-very-beginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/ > > > HOWEVER, when the 1983 transition happened and AIX became a primary > site > effort (as discussed in the cited reference), there were those new to > the effort and new to Unix that thought they could redefine behaviors > inappropriately. > > For example, I recall one person trying to enforce only one root login > at a time. Larry made it quite clear to that person that we were not > going to violate Unix tradition in that manner. > > Charlie > > On 5/1/2022 1:08 PM, ron minnich wrote: > > in terms of rewrites from manuals, while it was not the first, as I > > understand it, AIX was an example of "read the manual, write the > > code." > > > > Unlike Coherent, it had lots of cases of things not done quite right. > > One standout in my mind was mkdir -p, which would return an error if > > the full path existed. oops. > > > > But it was pointed out to me that Condor had all kinds of code to > > handle AIX being different from just about everything else. > > > > > > On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:12 AM Kenneth Goodwin > > > > wrote: > >> > >> I actually purchased several copies of Coherent when it was > first released and used it as printer servers for a bunch of > inexpensive Centronics based printers. lpd based server to server > transfers. Took the printing burden off the main systems. Someone > came out with a network based print spooler box (Milan ??) later on > which I switched over to after MW passed into obscurity. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, May 1, 2022, 7:46 AM Ron Natalie > wrote: > >>> > >>> Mark Williams Coherent was one I worked with on the PC many > years ago. > >>> > >>>> On May 1, 2022, at 11:34, Andrew Warkentin > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> What was the first "clone" functional Unix (i.e. an OS not > derived > >>>> from genetic Unix code but highly compatible with genetic > Unix)? Idris > >>>> is the earliest such OS of which I am aware (at least AFAIK > it's not a > >>>> genetic Unix), but was it actually the first? Similarly, which > was the > >>>> first "outer Unix-like" system (i.e. one with strong Unix > influence > >>>> but significantly incompatible with functional Unix)? Off the > top of > >>>> my head the earliest such system I can think of is Thoth (which > >>>> predates Idris by almost 2 years), but again I'm not sure if > it was > >>>> actually the first. > >>> > > -- > voice: +1.512.784.7526       e-mail: sauer@technologists.com > > fax: +1.512.346.5240         Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ > Facebook/Google/Twitter > : CharlesHSauer > -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ Facebook/Google/Twitter: CharlesHSauer