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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Systematic approach to command-line interfaces [ meta issues ]
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 15:17:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <68F654B3-7192-4E95-B09E-3B421A11E328@iitbombay.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F00DE12B-E67A-467D-91B1-C92D0DC1718D@iitbombay.org>

On Jul 31, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:
> 
> On Jul 31, 2021, at 3:13 PM, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 03:04:48PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>>> On Jul 31, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So I never got getopt().  One of my rules is that I don't use a library
>>>> in cases where the number of lines of gunk that that it takes to use a
>>>> library function is >= the number of lines to just write it myself.  Yeah,
>>>> I know the "but the library has more eyeballs and is debugged" argument
>>>> but in reality libraries are the source of many bugs.  I've always taken
>>>> the approach that I would never hire someone who had to use a library to
>>>> implement a singly-linked list.
>>> 
>>> getopt() is perhaps the wrong solution but consider something like MH,
>>> whose commands all follow a common pattern. Consider:
>>> 
>>> - options (switches) all start with a single '-'
>>> - they may be abbreviated to a unique prefix.
>> 
>> That last one is a gotcha waiting to happen:
>> 
>> program --this-is-the-long-option
>> 
>> is the same as 
>> 
>> program --this
>> 
>> but that will break scripts (and fingers) when program gets a new 
>> option like
> 
> That is easy to fix: use full options in scripts. Abbreviations for
> interactive use. Much better than --always-having-to-type-long-names.
> 
>> 
>> program --this-is-the-even-longer-option
>> 
>> We wrote our own getopt() for BitKeeper and it had long and short options
>> but no gotcha unique prefix.

Forgot to add that whoever extends "program" should know not to create a new
option that uses a longer name breaking a full form old options.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-31 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-31 12:25 [TUHS] Systematic approach to command-line interfaces Michael Siegel
2021-07-31 13:05 ` Dan Halbert
2021-07-31 14:21 ` Adam Thornton
2021-07-31 14:25   ` Adam Thornton
2021-07-31 15:45 ` Richard Salz
2021-07-31 16:03   ` Clem Cole
2021-07-31 16:06     ` Richard Salz
2021-07-31 16:21       ` Clem Cole
2021-07-31 16:17     ` Clem Cole
2021-07-31 16:30       ` Dan Cross
2021-07-31 15:56 ` Paul Winalski
2021-07-31 16:19   ` Dan Cross
2021-08-01 17:44     ` Chet Ramey
2021-08-01 21:53       ` Dan Cross
2021-08-01 23:21         ` Chet Ramey
2021-08-01 23:36         ` John Cowan
2021-08-01 23:49           ` Larry McVoy
2021-08-02  0:28             ` Larry McVoy
2021-08-01 23:58           ` Dan Cross
2021-08-02  0:29             ` Steve Nickolas
2021-08-02  0:13           ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-08-02  0:18             ` John Cowan
2021-08-02  0:54               ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-08-02  1:04               ` Dan Cross
2021-08-02  1:05             ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-08-02  2:10               ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-08-02  2:32               ` Bakul Shah
2021-08-02 17:33             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2021-09-28 17:46             ` Greg A. Woods
2021-09-28 18:10               ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-29 16:40                 ` Greg A. Woods
2021-09-29 16:57                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-30 17:31                     ` Greg A. Woods
2021-09-29 23:10               ` Phil Budne
2021-08-02 17:37           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2021-08-02 18:52             ` Clem Cole
2021-08-02 20:59               ` John Cowan
2021-08-02 21:06                 ` Al Kossow
2021-08-02 21:14                 ` Clem Cole
2021-08-02 21:13               ` Clem Cole
2021-08-01 16:51   ` Michael Siegel
2021-08-01 17:31     ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-31 16:41 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-31 17:41   ` John Cowan
2021-07-31 17:30 ` Anthony Martin
2021-07-31 17:46   ` John Cowan
2021-07-31 18:56   ` Michael Siegel
2021-07-31 19:41     ` Clem Cole
2021-07-31 21:30       ` Michael Siegel
2021-08-01 17:48     ` Chet Ramey
2021-08-01 19:23       ` Richard Salz
2021-08-01 23:26         ` Chet Ramey
2021-07-31 19:20 ` [TUHS] Systematic approach to command-line interfaces [ meta issues ] Jon Steinhart
2021-07-31 21:06   ` Richard Salz
2021-07-31 21:32     ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-31 21:37       ` Richard Salz
2021-07-31 21:55         ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-31 22:10       ` Warner Losh
2021-07-31 22:19         ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-31 22:20         ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-31 23:26           ` Warner Losh
2021-07-31 23:41             ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-31 22:04   ` Bakul Shah
2021-07-31 22:13     ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-31 22:14       ` Bakul Shah
2021-07-31 22:17         ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2021-07-31 22:16     ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-31 22:20       ` Bakul Shah
2021-08-01 18:17 Douglas McIlroy
2021-08-01 19:48 ` arnold
2021-08-01 21:30   ` John Cowan
2021-08-02 12:11   ` Steffen Nurpmeso

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